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How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM

Why is this the standard? What models did they use to impose the minimum wage? They didn't. They ordered it by fiat, and never mind that there was no country in the history of the world that had outperformed the US when we decided to go to the minimum wage, to which we could point and say "see, they're doing better". Why does the left get to pull shit out of their asses, but the right has to present hard proof, and never mind that we've been doing our way just fine for most of history?

In any event, there is a genuine moral and lawful principle behind abolishing the minimum wage - namely, the right of people to chose the prices they are willing to pay, and the right to enter into whatever sort of agreement suits their purposes. To abrogate such a fundamental natural human right, you need an ironclad case for the overall benefit to people at large, not just anecdotal evidence of dubious benefits to a particular class of people, in the face of numerous objective experts decrying the practice for observed harm it does to the classes it is intended to benefit (such as increased unemployment among the class people who would be making the least money - Milton Freidman called the minimum wage the most racist law on the books, because of its effect on young black employment rates, which were skyrocketing even as their civil rights and representation were improving everywhere else).

Cannoli
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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1426 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 779 Views
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That is an incredibly silly argument. - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 761 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 777 Views
Many? - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 762 Views
Amen. - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 739 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 688 Views
So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 719 Views
Re: So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 694 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 723 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 765 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 717 Views
How is that really relevant, then? - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 675 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 530 Views
*NM* - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 394 Views
Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 789 Views
Re: Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 738 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 740 Views
Very good questions - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 726 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 845 Views
damn *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 468 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 475 Views
I wish. - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 747 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 704 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 720 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 782 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 813 Views
an apt comparison - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 680 Views
So everyone who "can't" - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 714 Views
ummm - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 637 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 754 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 727 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 726 Views
Si - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 726 Views
Who said that? - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 796 Views
Who said what? - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 675 Views
There is a huge difference.... - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 734 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 868 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 437 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 466 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 847 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 700 Views
So just to put this out there... - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 684 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 670 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 877 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 423 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 712 Views
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You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 652 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 702 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 752 Views

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