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Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM

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Don't you think that there were other factors in play, not just wage earnings, which caused food scarcity and such?

~Jeordam


Of course, but people who tend to advocate for the abolition of minimum wage aren't generally terribly happy with other labor reforms.

Hunger spiked in the US because of urbanization, not because of famine. It wasn't scarcity that led to hunger--it rarely is.

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1636 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 1019 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 1012 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 899 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 954 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 966 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 993 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 980 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 965 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 904 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 925 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 926 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 945 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 984 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 919 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 889 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 648 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 511 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 1008 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 978 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 987 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 934 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1079 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 945 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 591 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 568 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 963 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 930 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 941 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 1011 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1037 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 900 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 938 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 856 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 979 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 992 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 934 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 959 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 999 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 892 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 954 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 868 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1110 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 546 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 574 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1066 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 918 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 896 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 854 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1103 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 1011 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 978 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 997 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 598 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 937 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1049 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 869 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 933 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 969 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 500 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 544 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 923 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 915 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 811 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 911 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 931 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 859 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 424 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 1006 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1456 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 1016 Views
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