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Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM

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Don't you think that there were other factors in play, not just wage earnings, which caused food scarcity and such?

~Jeordam


Of course, but people who tend to advocate for the abolition of minimum wage aren't generally terribly happy with other labor reforms.

Hunger spiked in the US because of urbanization, not because of famine. It wasn't scarcity that led to hunger--it rarely is.

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1611 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 990 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 982 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 865 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 918 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 939 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 959 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 956 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 930 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 872 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 894 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 899 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 908 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 950 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 884 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 861 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 629 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 500 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 974 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 939 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 963 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 903 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1039 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 910 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 575 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 553 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 936 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 892 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 915 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 983 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1005 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 869 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 909 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 828 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 953 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 959 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 896 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 924 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 972 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 863 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 929 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 827 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1076 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 533 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 553 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1038 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 890 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 875 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 826 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1069 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 982 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 948 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 970 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 587 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 910 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1019 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 844 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 903 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 935 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 489 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 526 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 893 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 885 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 778 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 883 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 902 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 835 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 411 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 981 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1428 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 990 Views
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