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Just like cancer--it's natural, so it can't be bad. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 13/09/2017 12:37:16 AM

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I mean, how could we let anyone suffer by having the body they are genetically and biologically predisposed to? That would be terrible.

We should stop giving women with a high risk of breast cancer regular mammograms and just let them have the body they're genetically and biologically predisposed to. Same with LASIK, contacts, and glasses. People with bad eyesight should just deal with the body they're genetically and biologically predisposed to.

There are decent arguments against transition. The one you just gave is not among them, in part because people with dysphoria generally report higher life satisfaction after transition.

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WHAT. THE. SHIT?! Cannoli - 11/09/2017 11:58:15 PM 1304 Views
As usual, I'm going to breeze past most of the nonsense here. Ghavrel - 12/09/2017 02:27:37 AM 696 Views
Oh, for sure. TyrReborn - 12/09/2017 10:55:59 PM 607 Views
Just like cancer--it's natural, so it can't be bad. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 12:37:16 AM 563 Views
You say my argument isn't good, so you rebut with... that? TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 02:01:04 AM 590 Views
Are you familiar with the suicide rates of people experiencing dysphoria? Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 02:10:44 AM 522 Views
Sigh TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 04:28:34 AM 643 Views
Actually nossy - 13/09/2017 12:46:03 PM 493 Views
You can't change your sex. Tom - 13/09/2017 02:06:05 PM 890 Views
I'm not talking about DNA. nossy - 13/09/2017 02:55:26 PM 499 Views
I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. Tom - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM 642 Views
What are they asking for that bothers you? *NM* nossy - 13/09/2017 04:07:19 PM 310 Views
He repeatedly said so in his posts. Cannoli - 13/09/2017 04:24:15 PM 634 Views
Yes, thank you for mansplaining. nossy - 13/09/2017 05:23:59 PM 487 Views
Cannoli is right. I was pretty clear about what bothers me. Tom - 13/09/2017 08:49:12 PM 534 Views
I did expect more nossy - 13/09/2017 10:36:36 PM 566 Views
I thought I provided it. Adherence to logic, facts and reality. Tom - 13/09/2017 10:41:39 PM 569 Views
No, you did. nossy - 13/09/2017 11:16:18 PM 549 Views
I agree with this. damookster - 13/09/2017 04:34:19 PM 502 Views
Yeah, they are. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 03:29:07 AM 531 Views
LOL damookster - 14/09/2017 06:06:28 AM 530 Views
You replace that "M" with an "L", and change the "no" to an "a".... LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 06:17:06 AM 566 Views
... yet. *NM* aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:26:56 PM 333 Views
Congratulations. You've begun arguing for transition. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 03:08:32 PM 504 Views
Don't forget.... Jeordam - 13/09/2017 07:27:41 PM 472 Views
I repeat, you do not fix your problems by maiming yourself. TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 09:56:36 PM 491 Views
So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM 563 Views
Nice strawman. TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 02:42:01 AM 475 Views
And in the meantime, while your miracle drugs and therapies are being developed... *NM* Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:08:55 AM 358 Views
Don't allow them to maim themselves. It's that simple. I don't get why you don't get it. TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 03:18:20 AM 594 Views
Because you're saying "don't do this thing that makes you less likely to kill yourself." Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 05:46:13 AM 481 Views
TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 05:19:40 PM 502 Views
In fairness to Ghavrel... Legolas - 14/09/2017 11:15:04 PM 527 Views
Oh, thank you! Your hyperbolic sarcasm has opened my eyes! TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 06:28:35 AM 467 Views
I thought your latest replies were slacking off a bit, so I resumed your best arguments from before. Legolas - 15/09/2017 07:22:04 AM 540 Views
You're not even making sense. TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM 533 Views
If only stamina were enough to win a debate. Legolas - 15/09/2017 08:00:26 PM 574 Views
Oh! Haha! I don't know how I missed the humor there! TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 08:42:50 PM 465 Views
Yeah, most people feel that way when they're being mocked. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2017 09:00:32 PM 330 Views
K. Get back to me when you want to actually have a discussion, then. *NM* TyrReborn - 16/09/2017 03:43:37 AM 336 Views
You should read up on OCD and hair dryers. Or really on mental illness at all. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2017 09:02:22 PM 315 Views
Oh yeah? Do they cause permanent damage to their bodies? *NM* TyrReborn - 16/09/2017 03:44:38 AM 287 Views
They cause permanent alterations to their bodies through the use of medicine. Ghavrel - 16/09/2017 07:11:57 AM 731 Views
Liposuction isn't an acceptable treatment for anorexia nervosa. AgentApple - 13/09/2017 11:08:07 AM 503 Views
It would be if it had the best prognosis for people with AN, though. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 03:06:11 PM 526 Views
No it wouldnt. Anorexics very often are underweight to begin with. How does liposuction help? Hieshyn - 14/09/2017 01:53:33 AM 649 Views
...it doesn't. That's why it's not the solution which offers the best prognosis. That was the point. Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:11:04 AM 558 Views
I've been thinking about this point.... Jeordam - 18/09/2017 07:00:49 PM 589 Views
You know what might make my anxiety and severe depression easier to manage? Millions of dollars. Hieshyn - 14/09/2017 01:40:09 AM 444 Views
Sure. That's a decent point. I think there needs to be a discussion about children. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:06:51 AM 305 Views
I don't it is a question of good or bad but if it should be celibrated and treated as normal random thoughts - 13/09/2017 08:56:34 PM 515 Views
This is pretty sad on multiple levels.... Jeordam - 12/09/2017 10:45:17 PM 562 Views
Transgenderism is the Twenty First Century's phrenology *NM* Tom - 13/09/2017 12:25:29 AM 356 Views
So how to protect little Pat from aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 04:32:44 PM 514 Views
You seem either confused on what that means, or leaping to rather unjustified conclusions. Legolas - 13/09/2017 06:29:47 PM 476 Views
I missed that part.... Jeordam - 13/09/2017 07:00:17 PM 471 Views
Yes. If you watch the whole video (15 mins), it's actually pretty nuanced and interesting. *NM* Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:10:07 PM 335 Views
Not confused about the syndrome. Was the kid in the article/news segment named 'Pat'? aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:06:08 PM 478 Views
Patrick, yes. Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:08:37 PM 474 Views
Doctor shopping, of course aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:24:20 PM 540 Views
I doubt it's that easy. But what makes this different from other conditions in that regard? *NM* Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:34:30 PM 332 Views
Because it's not wrong...? aerocontrols - 15/09/2017 05:53:24 PM 494 Views
I suppose. I meant on the doctors approving treatment side. Legolas - 15/09/2017 08:10:59 PM 555 Views
That is one of the draw back of the US medical system random thoughts - 18/09/2017 05:02:38 PM 493 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:07:08 PM 415 Views
You ain't lyin' about that. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 04:06:48 AM 552 Views
I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM 546 Views
I think this is an eminently reasonable viewpoint. Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 05:49:00 AM 599 Views
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