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I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. Tom Send a noteboard - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM

People can get rhinoplasty, or chop their dicks off, or hell, if they want to, chop their legs off. The problem from my perspective comes in when they want official recognition and for laws to legitimize their illness. If someone is denying an objectively provable fact, we have no right to force others to accept that. If we have to humor a mentally ill man to keep him from suicide by "playing along" that he is really Ronald Reagan and President of the US, the absurdity of it becomes apparent. I may choose to humor a man like Bradley Manning who is pretending to be a woman named Chelsea, but I should have no legal obligation to do so.

The entire problem with the so-called "transgender" movement is that it is trying to equate itself with the homosexual movement (a gross misstatement of reality) and that it is a civil rights, rather than a mental health, issue.

However, as more time goes on, it becomes clearer and clearer that it IS a mental health issue, not a civil rights issue (except to the extent that it raises questions about how we deal with mental illness generally in the US, something that needs review as we tilted from one extreme - committing people in prison-like institutions - to the other extreme - not holding anyone for more than 72 hours unless they present a clear danger to themselves and others - with little thought as to the consequences).

As a result, it's important to point out, again and again, that it is a mental health issue, that professionals acting without a political agenda should make decisions, and that we should not make laws treating the issue as a new civil rights matter.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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WHAT. THE. SHIT?! - 11/09/2017 11:58:15 PM 1360 Views
As usual, I'm going to breeze past most of the nonsense here. - 12/09/2017 02:27:37 AM 746 Views
Oh, for sure. - 12/09/2017 10:55:59 PM 663 Views
Just like cancer--it's natural, so it can't be bad. - 13/09/2017 12:37:16 AM 609 Views
You say my argument isn't good, so you rebut with... that? - 13/09/2017 02:01:04 AM 636 Views
Are you familiar with the suicide rates of people experiencing dysphoria? - 13/09/2017 02:10:44 AM 567 Views
Sigh - 13/09/2017 04:28:34 AM 694 Views
Actually - 13/09/2017 12:46:03 PM 542 Views
You can't change your sex. - 13/09/2017 02:06:05 PM 940 Views
I'm not talking about DNA. - 13/09/2017 02:55:26 PM 544 Views
I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM 691 Views
What are they asking for that bothers you? *NM* - 13/09/2017 04:07:19 PM 341 Views
He repeatedly said so in his posts. - 13/09/2017 04:24:15 PM 688 Views
Yes, thank you for mansplaining. - 13/09/2017 05:23:59 PM 536 Views
Cannoli is right. I was pretty clear about what bothers me. - 13/09/2017 08:49:12 PM 581 Views
I did expect more - 13/09/2017 10:36:36 PM 614 Views
I thought I provided it. Adherence to logic, facts and reality. - 13/09/2017 10:41:39 PM 618 Views
No, you did. - 13/09/2017 11:16:18 PM 597 Views
I agree with this. - 13/09/2017 04:34:19 PM 549 Views
Yeah, they are. - 14/09/2017 03:29:07 AM 576 Views
LOL - 14/09/2017 06:06:28 AM 585 Views
You replace that "M" with an "L", and change the "no" to an "a".... - 14/09/2017 06:17:06 AM 617 Views
... yet. *NM* - 13/09/2017 07:26:56 PM 362 Views
Congratulations. You've begun arguing for transition. - 13/09/2017 03:08:32 PM 563 Views
Don't forget.... - 13/09/2017 07:27:41 PM 516 Views
I repeat, you do not fix your problems by maiming yourself. - 13/09/2017 09:56:36 PM 548 Views
So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM 607 Views
Nice strawman. - 14/09/2017 02:42:01 AM 525 Views
And in the meantime, while your miracle drugs and therapies are being developed... *NM* - 14/09/2017 03:08:55 AM 384 Views
Don't allow them to maim themselves. It's that simple. I don't get why you don't get it. - 14/09/2017 03:18:20 AM 645 Views
Because you're saying "don't do this thing that makes you less likely to kill yourself." - 14/09/2017 05:46:13 AM 531 Views
- 14/09/2017 05:19:40 PM 552 Views
In fairness to Ghavrel... - 14/09/2017 11:15:04 PM 584 Views
Oh, thank you! Your hyperbolic sarcasm has opened my eyes! - 15/09/2017 06:28:35 AM 515 Views
I thought your latest replies were slacking off a bit, so I resumed your best arguments from before. - 15/09/2017 07:22:04 AM 587 Views
You're not even making sense. - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM 581 Views
If only stamina were enough to win a debate. - 15/09/2017 08:00:26 PM 623 Views
Oh! Haha! I don't know how I missed the humor there! - 15/09/2017 08:42:50 PM 510 Views
Yeah, most people feel that way when they're being mocked. *NM* - 15/09/2017 09:00:32 PM 363 Views
This is pretty sad on multiple levels.... - 12/09/2017 10:45:17 PM 613 Views
Transgenderism is the Twenty First Century's phrenology *NM* - 13/09/2017 12:25:29 AM 380 Views
So how to protect little Pat from - 13/09/2017 04:32:44 PM 563 Views
You seem either confused on what that means, or leaping to rather unjustified conclusions. - 13/09/2017 06:29:47 PM 527 Views
I missed that part.... - 13/09/2017 07:00:17 PM 523 Views
Not confused about the syndrome. Was the kid in the article/news segment named 'Pat'? - 13/09/2017 07:06:08 PM 525 Views
Patrick, yes. - 13/09/2017 07:08:37 PM 518 Views
Doctor shopping, of course - 13/09/2017 07:24:20 PM 588 Views
I doubt it's that easy. But what makes this different from other conditions in that regard? *NM* - 13/09/2017 07:34:30 PM 356 Views
Because it's not wrong...? - 15/09/2017 05:53:24 PM 549 Views
I suppose. I meant on the doctors approving treatment side. - 15/09/2017 08:10:59 PM 603 Views
That is one of the draw back of the US medical system - 18/09/2017 05:02:38 PM 540 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! - 13/09/2017 07:07:08 PM 467 Views
You ain't lyin' about that. - 14/09/2017 04:06:48 AM 603 Views
I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM 600 Views
I think this is an eminently reasonable viewpoint. - 14/09/2017 05:49:00 AM 647 Views

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