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You're not even making sense. TyrReborn Send a noteboard - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM

My argument has not changed, at all, this entire thread. You should not treat a mental illness by conforming to a mistaken belief and physically damaging your body. That has been the exact statement I have been repeating endlessly, which is why I have been emoting that I've been beating my head against a wall. That argument is not hard to understand, and, if someone were to offer an argument against that point, I would happily debate with them.

So far, however, the only argument against it that I have heard is Ghavrel saying "but if they live out their delusions, they're happier!" And that's great, and people not committing suicide is a good thing, I will never disagree with that. However, they are still giving in to their delusion, and that sets a dangerous precedent with every mental health issue; these issues should be fixed, or, at worst, lived with. Having a patently false belief, such as thinking they are female when they are, in fact, genetically and physically male is absolutely a delusion, and I repeat(for like the 30th time this thread), the solution to delusion is not to give in to it and harm your body.

My statement that if someone can not see the difference between treating an issue and giving in to that issue, then they should excuse themselves from the conversation, is, again, a statement. That's not an argument, which is why I did not argue the point with Ghavrel further down the line, I attempted to clarify my actual argument.

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What are they asking for that bothers you? *NM* - 13/09/2017 04:07:19 PM 262 Views
He repeatedly said so in his posts. - 13/09/2017 04:24:15 PM 527 Views
Yes, thank you for mansplaining. - 13/09/2017 05:23:59 PM 379 Views
Cannoli is right. I was pretty clear about what bothers me. - 13/09/2017 08:49:12 PM 430 Views
I did expect more - 13/09/2017 10:36:36 PM 457 Views
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No, you did. - 13/09/2017 11:16:18 PM 439 Views
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Yeah, they are. - 14/09/2017 03:29:07 AM 436 Views
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You replace that "M" with an "L", and change the "no" to an "a".... - 14/09/2017 06:17:06 AM 454 Views
... yet. *NM* - 13/09/2017 07:26:56 PM 282 Views
Congratulations. You've begun arguing for transition. - 13/09/2017 03:08:32 PM 399 Views
Don't forget.... - 13/09/2017 07:27:41 PM 372 Views
I repeat, you do not fix your problems by maiming yourself. - 13/09/2017 09:56:36 PM 393 Views
So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM 452 Views
Nice strawman. - 14/09/2017 02:42:01 AM 370 Views
And in the meantime, while your miracle drugs and therapies are being developed... *NM* - 14/09/2017 03:08:55 AM 306 Views
Don't allow them to maim themselves. It's that simple. I don't get why you don't get it. - 14/09/2017 03:18:20 AM 475 Views
Because you're saying "don't do this thing that makes you less likely to kill yourself." - 14/09/2017 05:46:13 AM 379 Views
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In fairness to Ghavrel... - 14/09/2017 11:15:04 PM 419 Views
Oh, thank you! Your hyperbolic sarcasm has opened my eyes! - 15/09/2017 06:28:35 AM 370 Views
I thought your latest replies were slacking off a bit, so I resumed your best arguments from before. - 15/09/2017 07:22:04 AM 447 Views
You're not even making sense. - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM 426 Views
If only stamina were enough to win a debate. - 15/09/2017 08:00:26 PM 473 Views
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Patrick, yes. - 13/09/2017 07:08:37 PM 380 Views
Doctor shopping, of course - 13/09/2017 07:24:20 PM 431 Views
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Because it's not wrong...? - 15/09/2017 05:53:24 PM 396 Views
I suppose. I meant on the doctors approving treatment side. - 15/09/2017 08:10:59 PM 436 Views
That is one of the draw back of the US medical system - 18/09/2017 05:02:38 PM 374 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! - 13/09/2017 07:07:08 PM 318 Views
You ain't lyin' about that. - 14/09/2017 04:06:48 AM 431 Views
I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM 431 Views
I think this is an eminently reasonable viewpoint. - 14/09/2017 05:49:00 AM 463 Views

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