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Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli Send a noteboard - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM

I have exactly as much sympathy for women who have difficult procuring an abortion as I do for the PTSD of concentration camp guards, for exactly the same reason. Less, actually. Some of those guards didn't know what they were getting into, and an inhuman dictatorship hovering to punish them and their families for resisting. Until you people learn to recognize, and make an effort to address, that our objection is that abortion kills a human being, I will never feel anything but schadenfreude at your distress.


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It's hard reading, but I have to wonder if the GOP really knows what it's setting off, here. Banning abortion in the abstract might seem like a moral, even pro-life, decision. Ironic given their complete lack of interest in stopping the spread of covid, but that's a whole other story.

The Wuhan flu is not remotely a public health threat or serious danger to life except for people who are already in danger due to their poor health. A republican was president when this all started. Trump allowed Fauci to run his mouth and make his bullshit proclamations he didn't even believe in. Trump let "two weeks to flatten the curve" turn into months. My democratic governor, whose emergency dictatorial restrictions were among the worst in the nation, lifted restrictions in the summer because tourism $$$. This has shaken out into a GOP/Democrat issue, because one side has come to realize how little threat there really was and the other side enjoys panicking being in Chicken Little mode. Hence the thrust of this article. "Oh no! Sluts might face consequences! This has ripple effects! The end of the Republic is in sight!" For normal people, life and death issues are simple and immediate. The china virus is probably not going to kill you. Abortion does kill a baby. Stopping one is probably not worth the effort, stopping the other is worth any amount of inconvenience for people who see their genitals as mere toys.
Reading this,

Always fionwe1987's weak spot...

"Since it opened in 2019, Houston Women’s Reproductive Services has provided one single medical service: medication abortion. So in previous years, the vast majority of patients had already arrived at the decision to get an abortion when they made their initial appointments."


though, it seems pretty likely that what they're going to actually get is more abortions, earlier, because women can no longer afford to take time to think through their options.

The problem there is, of course, allowing ANY abortions. What the article is describing are a lot of murderesses suddenly being subjected to stress and no longer being able to conveniently and easily dispose of their unwanted children.

We get a lot of bizarre, hyperbolic reactions like:
"a terrorized population whose reproductive capacity has been seized by the state."
Their reproductive capacity has not been taken. No one is being prevented from reproducing or being made to reproduce. Aside from the myth of a plague of rape babies, reproduction has already happened. What the law does is, weakly and inadequately, impede people from murdering children who are inconvenient.

What the article completely neglects are the real victims here - the husbands and boyfriends and casual acquaintances who engaged in sex under the assumption their female partners could handle keeping it light and fun, and now, because of their partners' indecision, or inability to keep appointments or lack of willingness to nip across the state line for a procedure, are now condemned to an 18 year financial commitment and expectation to contribute time and care on a kid they had no intention of bringing into the world, and which has only come about due to the vagaries of someone else's body chemistry. The corollary to "my body, my choice" should be "my body, my responsibility" but that's never going to be law.


As the party of "bodily autonomy" sticks its fingers deeper into women's vaginas, I also wonder if they're ready to face the rage all this is going to create.
If women don't want fingers in their vaginas, they should not have human beings with a right to bodily autonomy up there.

For me the most interesting line was this: "save those provided to save a pregnant person’s life," Person? Don't you mean a woman? Because that's what Kathy Kleinfeld says is the motive for the law, controlling women. It's women when they want to contribute to this victimization narrative, but they are forgetting that men can get pregnant too, now. Which, by the way, means we can no longer be excluded from the debate, by their own absurd definitions.

This article is full of whining on behalf of women, including one mention only of the women who work at an abortion facility, and what they are really talking about is female privilege suddenly being curtailed. Women now have to face the same choice and the same responsibilities that men have had since time out of mind - accept the responsibilities of parenthood, or refrain from sex. There is no one saying women have raise their children themselves, they can still drop the kid off at any emergency response, public safety or medical facility, with no questions asked, up until the kid is old enough to tell the people there who their mom is. All these excuses and complaints quoted by or offered on behalf of the ostensible patients in this article are nothing men have not had to deal with. If pregnancy is such a problem keep it in (or in their case, out of) your pants.

The real hypocrisy in our legal system is that abortion is allowed at all, while harming a fetus by anyone other than at the mother's behest is a crime against a person. That you can be charged with two murders or two counts of manslaughter in the death of a pregnant woman, or any sort of liability in the accidental or corollary death of a fetus, when that fetus has no acknowledge RIGHT to live, is rank hypocrisy. You want me to give even the slightest shit about some woman who can't keep her legs together despite believing she cannot handle the consequences? Get rid of involuntary child support, allow men the exact same right to opt out of parental responsibility, up through the same age when a woman can dump her baby at the police station, and make any harm to a fetus to be nothing more than a minor injury to its host.

Cannoli
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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 988 Views
that is the trouble here - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 215 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 259 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 184 Views
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Simple, it was wrongly decided. - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 162 Views
I think that is enough for the day - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 161 Views
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You can't have your cake and eat it too. - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 183 Views
Uhhh - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 168 Views
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Broad popular support? - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 170 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 193 Views
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Theodicy - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 185 Views
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Actually, it does impose - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 205 Views
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