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"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul Send a noteboard - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM

I thought the Democrats were the pro-choice party of bodily autonomy? That is, I suppose, unless you're talking about Covid-19, then of course your body is is yours as long as you agree to do what the government says is in the public interest.

I find these reactions to legislating from the bench amusing. It was in fact Democrats and social liberals who realized that they could force their unpalatable legislative agendas on the people through the courts in the 1960s - and subsequently did so for the last 60 years.

It has only been in the last 20 years or so that conservatives and Republicans have started using the same tactic - to mixed results, mostly. Now that conservatives are taking a page out of the liberal playbook and trying to legislate through the courts, there is righteous liberal indignation. But when liberals were doing it, it was just and proper and right.

A rollback of Planned Parenthood v. Casey (or Roe, for that matter) wouldn't be denying women a fundamental right, it would be affirming no such right ever existed in the Constitution (which of course, it did not). Modern day liberal justices act like Howard Carter, discovering "rights" all over the Constitution like Carter found King Tut's tomb. The Constitution, however, doesn't work that way. Rights not enumerated can be granted and guaranteed, but by the legislature, not the Constitution. The problem is liberals realize that, in many states, their opinions are in the minority. So because the legislatures would never grant them the rights they believe they should have, they try to find those rights in the text of the constitution, in order to force unpalatable legislative views on an unwanting populous.

At the end of the day, the reason so many states have been attempting to restrict access to abortion is because the people living in those states don't believe that abortion is right or is a right. The people should be the ones to decide whether it is or is not legal, whether it is or is not a right.

Hopefully the courts put an end to this circus by doing the right thing: overturning blatantly unconstitutional precedent (for all of you about to scream about stare decisis, don't forget that rigid adherence to stare decisis would have never led to civil rights) and allowing the people to decide for themselves.

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1601 Views
that is the trouble here - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 1000 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 772 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 937 Views
The issue is abortion. - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 733 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 761 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 725 Views
I think that is enough for the day - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 757 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 799 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 766 Views
Uhhh - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 759 Views
I mean, yeah. - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 752 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 947 Views
Broad popular support? - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 750 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 796 Views
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Was the Catholic Church EVIL . - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 786 Views
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And I am problematizing your claim - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 899 Views
Theodicy - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 813 Views
Re: Theodicy - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 793 Views
and yet... - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 775 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 731 Views
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Have not had a drink yet. - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 734 Views
Leaked draft opinion - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 809 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 754 Views
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He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 719 Views
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Don't blame me for your failures. - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 827 Views
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Precisely. - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 714 Views
Obvious intent my ass - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 763 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 686 Views
I cannot commit treason - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 746 Views
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Projecting what? - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 705 Views
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you wrote: - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 703 Views
Ummm - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 702 Views
Interesting is one word for it... - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 707 Views
That's your thought.... - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 760 Views
Hardly just mine - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 702 Views
Interesting... - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 724 Views
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Nice try - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 699 Views
No one said that, and you know it... - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 714 Views
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Then stop listening to yourself… - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 886 Views
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So we are in agreement if we circle around - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 697 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 732 Views
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Actually, it does impose - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 970 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 692 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 762 Views
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I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 714 Views
Cool - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 832 Views
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Parody account strikes back! - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 697 Views
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History and Histrionic or perhaps - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 751 Views
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There is an easy answer for you. - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 708 Views

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