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Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 Send a noteboard - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM

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I would advise against expecting moral consistency from what we can call the "fetus is a human" crowd. Because all life is sacred when there's political hay to be made, but these sacred lives can be executed, enslaved, starved, lynched or denied any number of fundamental rights when it's expedient.

All humans are hypocrites and contain tensions / psychodynamics.

No matter what there will be excess here on this issue, and there will also be corresponding loss at the same time. That is part of being human much like being a hypocrite is. You are getting excess joy / jouissance in French by calling people hypocrites.

Solomon understood this per a myth, who wants to shoulder the burden, costs, and loss should be the one who decides. That is the only ethical choice, but even then there will be loss and excess.

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 996 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 222 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 262 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 187 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 188 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 170 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 174 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 167 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 166 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 201 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 187 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 172 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 156 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 193 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 175 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 199 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 180 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 188 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 193 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 169 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 415 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 160 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 162 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 156 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 114 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 193 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 174 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 186 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 179 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 152 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 159 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 206 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 215 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 200 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 180 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 161 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 168 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 178 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 166 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 156 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 167 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 152 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 135 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 136 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 156 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 132 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 156 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 168 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 161 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 152 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 146 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 161 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 153 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 139 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 164 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 146 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 157 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 141 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 153 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 144 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 141 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 146 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 151 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 184 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 143 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 177 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 143 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 154 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 137 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 139 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 149 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 194 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 154 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 147 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 156 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 141 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 142 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 141 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 145 Views
Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 147 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 211 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 153 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 157 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 140 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 171 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 154 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 162 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 153 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 165 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 122 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 149 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 133 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 130 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 126 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 144 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 148 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 139 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 167 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 136 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 229 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 178 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 144 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 159 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 91 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 141 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 99 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 91 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 141 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 259 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 149 Views
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