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I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli Send a noteboard - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM


If this is all cannoli said, that would be something.
The wall of poop he spewed, on the other hand, is filled with so much classic slut

Is there another word for a person who engages in sex with people they don't want to have kids with?
shaming that it verges on parody.

As for your own formulation here... Yes, there's a divide on whether people believe the fetus is alive or not. But that line completely ignores that the presence of a fetus in a person's womb doesn't mean they consented to it. Rape sperm, statements to the contrary aside, is not rejected by the vagina

So how does the neat division of fetus:human life or not play out in this scenario?

Human, dumbass. That's why consent doesn't matter. Abortion is not a question of responsibility or whether or not you deserve the pregnancy, it is about a living human being.
How does it play out where the life of a woman is threatened by continuing the pregnancy?
Again, this has been firmly established. If an necessary life-saving medical treatment might or even certainly will result the death of the fetus, that fetus has as much right to life as a trespasser on your property does in civilized states with castle laws. If an abortion is deemed necessary for her mental health, by a psychiatrist who double-majored in women's studies, then she goes into restraints until the baby is born and then the issue of self-harm can be revisited.
If you believe a fetus is a human being, neither of these should matter. However, it then requires you to see the woman as less than human.
That's like saying the would-be recipient of an involuntarily donated organ is less than human. The potential benefit from a crime is not a licit benefit. A pregnancy is a temporary condition, in the case of rape, no different from an injury from an assault that takes 9 months to heal. And abortion in defense of your bodily autonomy is no different from murdering an infant in order to speed up that recovery time.
So you give me a morally consistent way to behave if you believe the fetus is a live human, and then we'll talk.

We've only been saying this stuff for decades, but per my opening point in my first response, you keep pretending you didn't hear or don't understand it.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1323 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 543 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 568 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 480 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 508 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 455 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 462 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 435 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 469 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 483 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 490 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 455 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 463 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 515 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 464 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 521 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 474 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 514 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 498 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 456 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 716 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 482 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 448 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 480 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 302 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 515 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 477 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 501 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 480 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 442 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 451 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 508 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 528 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 523 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 491 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 438 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 475 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 493 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 483 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 437 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 490 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 452 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 423 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 407 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 473 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 414 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 458 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 442 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 450 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 454 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 450 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 447 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 428 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 444 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 449 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 439 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 464 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 475 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 450 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 470 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 402 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 417 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 433 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 485 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 416 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 472 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 435 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 465 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 407 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 434 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 438 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 483 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 459 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 461 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 456 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 438 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 415 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 458 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 420 Views
Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 466 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 669 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 440 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 468 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 446 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 476 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 470 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 470 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 448 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 488 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 410 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 403 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 436 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 458 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 420 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 433 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 456 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 450 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 488 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 423 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 513 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 469 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 309 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 474 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 272 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 437 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 278 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 272 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 475 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 559 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 475 Views
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