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No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM

To you, the position "we have more kids dying at the end of a gun at school than any other advanced nation, but there are constitutional limits that prevent us from doing much about it" is a rational view. Whether you hold it or not, you give it the deference of a rational position that must be debated respectfully.

To me, that view is insanity. A Constitution exists to protect people. It's not just not sacred, it is very much meant to be contradicted and modified to meet the demands of the moment.

But kids are dying. I think you'll find plenty of people "on the other side" of this not just willing but desperate to at least pass compromise legislation. Forget repealing the Second Amendment, forget going to back to the previous interpretation that it wasn't referring to an individual right to bear arms... Forget anything that would be momentous and big. Do the basics, and plenty of people are desperate enough they'll vote for it, because their constituents will not stomach anything else.

But you don't get to hold to the position that there's irrationality on both sides, bad faith on both sides, and there's some symmetry here between the positions, and not trigger a response.

If that's tough for you to handle, that's your prerogative. But on the day I have to tell my nephew of 8 that no, school from home isn't actually preferable, even though he's not wrong to be scared about a shooting in his classroom...on a day like that, like fuck I'm going to let that kind of smug bullshit fly.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 1079 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 355 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 311 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 346 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 315 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 364 Views
Yes - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 309 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 315 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 296 Views
In such a way - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 320 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 304 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 332 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 357 Views
Remarkable - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 315 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 301 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 325 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 287 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 296 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 345 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 314 Views
You just don’t get it. - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 359 Views
I think the same of you... - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 330 Views
Article VI, Clause II - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 319 Views
You're like a broken record. - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 314 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 337 Views
And? - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 316 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 348 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 294 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 314 Views
whooops *NM* - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 188 Views
Oh, fuck off. - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 335 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 305 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 313 Views
*NM* - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 189 Views
It is not - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 306 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 319 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 322 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 323 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 305 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 344 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 316 Views
How would the world be different - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 316 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 314 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 294 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 312 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 327 Views
You're one of those men. - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 328 Views
Hypocrisy - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 282 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 303 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 300 Views
You started with Foreclosure - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 290 Views
Foreclosure, huh - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 305 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 155 Views
One more thing - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 321 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 313 Views
Did I trigger you? - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 272 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 317 Views
I pretty much agree. - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 325 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 168 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 284 Views
Bah - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 317 Views
Baseball twitter is bad - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 282 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 348 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 267 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 324 Views
I disagree. - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 291 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 297 Views
They already lost their balls. - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 333 Views
I am glad you protect your family - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 283 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 291 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 312 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 300 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 317 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 301 Views
I agree - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 298 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 318 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 331 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 315 Views
I wasn’t and will not. - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 288 Views
We would scare them off that is what - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 295 Views
You chose wisely - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 304 Views
You did not. My apologies. - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 295 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 293 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 265 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 315 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 338 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 287 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 334 Views
Interesting - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 318 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 292 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 307 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 308 Views
What about trans-men - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 322 Views
an intriguing question - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 323 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 310 Views
Can the 21 year olds - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 318 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 333 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 327 Views
my bad - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 304 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 356 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 348 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 321 Views
It gets darker and darker - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 300 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 157 Views

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