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Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 Send a noteboard - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM

I guess I would chalk that up to the fog of war and collateral damage which is still the fault of the perpetrator, but I’d really be lying if I said that your scenario really didn’t give me pause, and it would be increasingly cold comfort to me if it was my child that had been killed by someone who had possed up. Then again, what else can you do, wait outside and listen to your kids die?

It is literally madness and in such a situation I do not think we can "pre-write" a priori what we would do in such a situation. We just need to be humans and have grace and understand in such a hell remember this too is human and do what we must and hopefully we will support each other in this hell.


I suppose my issue is the timing and the will - you can’t leave kids like that with someone who has shown he’ll murder them. Something absolutely must be done, it is totally and wholly unacceptable to have cops waiting outside while the killer finishes off victims. At a certain point drastic action should take place.

Yes. To my understanding this is considered the best practices of how cops are trained right now. Now how these specific cops were trained, and did they follow their training, etc, etc. I am purposefully drifting off here for we do not know at this time.


Fuck, if it was my kid I’d volunteer to go in with a hunting knife or my bare hands - or, failing that, I’ll distract him while the cops shoot him. If I die saving a bunch of kids, I think I’m okay with that. Then again it’s all academic at this point and as you rightly pointed out, much easier to say when you’re not facing that situation.

Heads should roll for this one way or the other.


If the internet is to be believed, people who were at the actual site of the Uvalde school actually suggested stuff like that. Who knows if this actually occurred. I am not watching the videos writting down notes for there is only so much of hell I can take with my raw exposed nerves.

I will not still like either man but it would be a wonderful thing for my Governor Abbott, or President Biden to pay money / workers and do an actual investigation of what happened. I do not expect this to happen, I hope to be surprised. Government may be limited but investigations is one of its jobs, not just providing peace and something that is like justice.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it damookster - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 1947 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 653 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 603 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 657 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 622 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. damookster - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 678 Views
Yes Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 609 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 638 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? damookster - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 620 Views
In such a way Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 619 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective Roland00 - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 626 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one fionwe1987 - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 643 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 699 Views
Remarkable fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 629 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 617 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 630 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 607 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 591 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement damookster - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 680 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 626 Views
You just don’t get it. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 685 Views
I think the same of you... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 635 Views
Article VI, Clause II damookster - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 651 Views
You're like a broken record. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 643 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 656 Views
And? fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 619 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 653 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 592 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 633 Views
whooops *NM* Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 339 Views
Oh, fuck off. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 653 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 620 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. damookster - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 622 Views
*NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 322 Views
Loyalty is to God, Family, Community, and only then State. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 09:55:58 PM 640 Views
The founding fathers have a dream, where dreams start and reality begin Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:39:07 PM 635 Views
This is wonderfully meandering and thought-provoking, but woefully insubstantial for understanding. *NM* TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:10:04 AM 342 Views
It is not fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 616 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 613 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 631 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 634 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 599 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... fionwe1987 - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 634 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 659 Views
How would the world be different Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 637 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle damookster - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 733 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 610 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 635 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 626 Views
You're one of those men. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 658 Views
Hypocrisy Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 598 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 629 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. damookster - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 625 Views
You started with Foreclosure Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 604 Views
Foreclosure, huh damookster - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 615 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 298 Views
One more thing Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 611 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 608 Views
Did I trigger you? damookster - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 565 Views
You screaming get off my lawn is inherently causes an urge to egg your house *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:05:48 PM 319 Views
~soaks Roland with the jet nozzle as I hose the egg off my front porch~ *NM* damookster - 26/05/2022 08:50:22 PM 302 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 608 Views
I pretty much agree. damookster - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 667 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 299 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 593 Views
Bah damookster - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 625 Views
Baseball twitter is bad Roland00 - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 561 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos damookster - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 659 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 589 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 629 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 598 Views
And if one of the fathers went in and accidentally killed another child and not the shooter? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:46:17 PM 601 Views
Thats a good point, and something I didn’t consider when I wrote my response. Dragonsoul - 28/05/2022 12:08:48 AM 579 Views
Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM 627 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 627 Views
They already lost their balls. damookster - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 630 Views
I am glad you protect your family Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 602 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 609 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. damookster - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 655 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 648 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 619 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 624 Views
I agree Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 592 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 627 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller damookster - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 669 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 606 Views
I wasn’t and will not. damookster - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 594 Views
We would scare them off that is what Roland00 - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 581 Views
You chose wisely damookster - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 608 Views
You did not. My apologies. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 591 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? AgentApple - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 615 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 598 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 594 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. damookster - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 679 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 614 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. Roland00 - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 679 Views
Interesting damookster - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 625 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 617 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 589 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* entyti - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 602 Views
What about trans-men entyti - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 642 Views
an intriguing question damookster - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 626 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 619 Views
Can the 21 year olds Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 618 Views
You know, fair enough. If they're old enough to smoke, and they have a doctor that'll rx it, sure. *NM* TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 03:59:17 AM 315 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... entyti - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 637 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? fionwe1987 - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 660 Views
my bad damookster - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 616 Views
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer Roland00 - 31/05/2022 11:45:32 PM 652 Views
The Uvalde police incompetence is totally indistinguishable from a cover-up at this point Roland00 - 04/06/2022 07:50:04 PM 665 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 694 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 691 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! Roland00 - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 601 Views
It gets darker and darker Roland00 - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 631 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* TyrReborn - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 312 Views
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