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Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 Send a noteboard - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM

I guess I would chalk that up to the fog of war and collateral damage which is still the fault of the perpetrator, but I’d really be lying if I said that your scenario really didn’t give me pause, and it would be increasingly cold comfort to me if it was my child that had been killed by someone who had possed up. Then again, what else can you do, wait outside and listen to your kids die?

It is literally madness and in such a situation I do not think we can "pre-write" a priori what we would do in such a situation. We just need to be humans and have grace and understand in such a hell remember this too is human and do what we must and hopefully we will support each other in this hell.


I suppose my issue is the timing and the will - you can’t leave kids like that with someone who has shown he’ll murder them. Something absolutely must be done, it is totally and wholly unacceptable to have cops waiting outside while the killer finishes off victims. At a certain point drastic action should take place.

Yes. To my understanding this is considered the best practices of how cops are trained right now. Now how these specific cops were trained, and did they follow their training, etc, etc. I am purposefully drifting off here for we do not know at this time.


Fuck, if it was my kid I’d volunteer to go in with a hunting knife or my bare hands - or, failing that, I’ll distract him while the cops shoot him. If I die saving a bunch of kids, I think I’m okay with that. Then again it’s all academic at this point and as you rightly pointed out, much easier to say when you’re not facing that situation.

Heads should roll for this one way or the other.


If the internet is to be believed, people who were at the actual site of the Uvalde school actually suggested stuff like that. Who knows if this actually occurred. I am not watching the videos writting down notes for there is only so much of hell I can take with my raw exposed nerves.

I will not still like either man but it would be a wonderful thing for my Governor Abbott, or President Biden to pay money / workers and do an actual investigation of what happened. I do not expect this to happen, I hope to be surprised. Government may be limited but investigations is one of its jobs, not just providing peace and something that is like justice.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it damookster - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 1327 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 554 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 518 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 555 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 522 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. damookster - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 572 Views
Yes Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 518 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 519 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? damookster - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 499 Views
In such a way Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 530 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective Roland00 - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 520 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one fionwe1987 - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 535 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 561 Views
Remarkable fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 522 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 515 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 531 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 495 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 505 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement damookster - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 553 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 519 Views
You just don’t get it. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 564 Views
I think the same of you... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 539 Views
Article VI, Clause II damookster - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 525 Views
You're like a broken record. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 521 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 557 Views
And? fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 533 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 557 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 496 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 530 Views
whooops *NM* Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 275 Views
Oh, fuck off. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 548 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 514 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. damookster - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 521 Views
*NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 274 Views
Loyalty is to God, Family, Community, and only then State. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 09:55:58 PM 525 Views
The founding fathers have a dream, where dreams start and reality begin Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:39:07 PM 536 Views
This is wonderfully meandering and thought-provoking, but woefully insubstantial for understanding. *NM* TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:10:04 AM 274 Views
It is not fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 512 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 541 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 536 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 536 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 512 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... fionwe1987 - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 550 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 522 Views
How would the world be different Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 529 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle damookster - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 559 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 514 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 526 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 533 Views
You're one of those men. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 537 Views
Hypocrisy Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 503 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 517 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. damookster - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 506 Views
You started with Foreclosure Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 499 Views
Foreclosure, huh damookster - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 515 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 241 Views
One more thing Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 529 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 524 Views
Did I trigger you? damookster - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 476 Views
You screaming get off my lawn is inherently causes an urge to egg your house *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:05:48 PM 260 Views
~soaks Roland with the jet nozzle as I hose the egg off my front porch~ *NM* damookster - 26/05/2022 08:50:22 PM 251 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 527 Views
I pretty much agree. damookster - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 541 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 251 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 490 Views
Bah damookster - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 522 Views
Baseball twitter is bad Roland00 - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 489 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos damookster - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 557 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 472 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 540 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 505 Views
And if one of the fathers went in and accidentally killed another child and not the shooter? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:46:17 PM 510 Views
Thats a good point, and something I didn’t consider when I wrote my response. Dragonsoul - 28/05/2022 12:08:48 AM 499 Views
Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM 518 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 505 Views
They already lost their balls. damookster - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 544 Views
I am glad you protect your family Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 500 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 506 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. damookster - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 529 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 519 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 532 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 510 Views
I agree Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 511 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 524 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller damookster - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 546 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 522 Views
I wasn’t and will not. damookster - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 504 Views
We would scare them off that is what Roland00 - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 504 Views
You chose wisely damookster - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 508 Views
You did not. My apologies. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 505 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? AgentApple - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 507 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 485 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 511 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. damookster - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 550 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 508 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. Roland00 - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 545 Views
Interesting damookster - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 524 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 507 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 517 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* entyti - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 513 Views
What about trans-men entyti - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 531 Views
an intriguing question damookster - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 538 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 516 Views
Can the 21 year olds Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 525 Views
You know, fair enough. If they're old enough to smoke, and they have a doctor that'll rx it, sure. *NM* TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 03:59:17 AM 259 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... entyti - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 545 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? fionwe1987 - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 532 Views
my bad damookster - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 513 Views
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer Roland00 - 31/05/2022 11:45:32 PM 562 Views
The Uvalde police incompetence is totally indistinguishable from a cover-up at this point Roland00 - 04/06/2022 07:50:04 PM 572 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 560 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 559 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! Roland00 - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 522 Views
It gets darker and darker Roland00 - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 520 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* TyrReborn - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 243 Views
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