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Not really "fun" so much as "a sad reality of biology", but yes. TyrReborn Send a noteboard - 27/08/2023 09:42:14 PM

Lots of chromosomal anomalies exist: XXY, XXX, XYY, XXYY. And then there are people whose chromosomal sex is not consistent with their phenotypic sex, i.e., karyotypically female but phenotypically male.

Indeed, and those with chromosomal abnormalities should be treated as exactly what they are; an individual, entitled to all the rights and respect as any other person.

Don't mistake my disbelief and disdain for "transgenderism" for disbelief or disdain of actual genetic abnormalities.



I’m largely indifferent to this whole subject because it’s just plain alien to me. What I didn’t see in the discussion was anything on endocrinology and what role it might play in gender dysphoria, if any. I know xenoestrogen is causing girls to hit puberty at a younger age, and it can give boys boobs. So we know it affects the body. Could that lead to somatopsychic — and I do mean somatopsychic, not psychosomatic— changes/conditions? I guess I’m inclined to think that a scientific reason or answer is out there, or at least a possibility.

I'm no endocrinologist so I can't comment on it.

I do agree with you, however; we know that many things in the modern world adversely affect human development. I would not at all be surprised to find out that something we're doing is causing people to "become" "transgender".

I mean, the water is turning the frogs gay, so it's not like anything is really outside the realm of possibility, here.

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“Can you imagine our reading that James Madison or Thomas Jefferson tried to overthrow the gov't?" TyrReborn - 03/08/2023 09:02:48 PM 2040 Views
I'm curious as to your point in posting this. damookster - 04/08/2023 03:17:48 AM 927 Views
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Died of =/= died from, and died during =/= killed TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 04:58:08 PM 853 Views
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Yes. They do that now, too. Except it's the Chinese. *NM* TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:51:37 PM 368 Views
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Thanks. <3 *NM* Ghavrel - 09/08/2023 08:27:13 PM 366 Views
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As I said, it wasn't intended as perfect analogy - it's about how much say should children have. Legolas - 11/08/2023 06:44:33 PM 784 Views
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There aren't a lot of people committing suicide over their teeth coming in. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 08:21:29 PM 762 Views
Indeed. TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:50:53 PM 718 Views
You aren't mentally ill because of your views. You're just an asshole. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 11:35:13 PM 761 Views
Re: No, seriously, only the last one was intended as parody. And I'd like an explanation. Legolas - 15/08/2023 04:14:57 PM 811 Views
See, you're willing to discuss, instead of insult. Others on this board might take note. TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 05:18:39 PM 768 Views
Yeah, well, I have the luxury of an outsider's position... Legolas - 23/08/2023 11:47:24 PM 804 Views
Nobody is an outsider when reality is being attacked. TyrReborn - 25/08/2023 05:40:43 PM 735 Views
Fun facts Vodalus - 26/08/2023 06:22:57 AM 846 Views
There's some evidence that hormonal changes in utero are related to transgenderism. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/08/2023 11:26:21 PM 367 Views
Naturally occurring or iatrogenic? *NM* Vodalus - 26/08/2023 11:37:06 PM 380 Views
The studies are about naturally occuring variance, but that doesn't rule out other causes. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 12:03:16 AM 431 Views
Not really "fun" so much as "a sad reality of biology", but yes. TyrReborn - 27/08/2023 09:42:14 PM 776 Views
Imagine if you had the same attitude towards trans people. Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 12:02:34 AM 742 Views
I may be no endocrinologist, but I at least understand simple biology. XY =/= XX =/= XXY TyrReborn - 28/08/2023 05:40:14 PM 719 Views
One can be an adult trans person and not support mutilation of children. *NM* damookster - 28/08/2023 07:49:32 PM 367 Views
Fair enough. I have some measure of respect for "Caitlyn" Jenner. You do you homie. *NM* TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 04:54:13 AM 349 Views
Simple is definitely true. Shame you never learned biology past what you were taught in high school. Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 11:21:38 PM 732 Views
Right, cause we're "butterflies" TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 04:57:20 AM 738 Views
I go to mass more than you. *NM* Ghavrel - 29/08/2023 09:58:09 AM 368 Views
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I must say, The Shrike - 31/08/2023 07:04:47 PM 943 Views
Love is being true. Love is being honest. Love is God. TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 07:52:59 PM 755 Views
I appreciate that a great deal. Thank you. I think very highly of you, too. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/09/2023 04:44:58 AM 432 Views
Really went off the deep end there huh... Legolas - 31/08/2023 10:39:02 PM 749 Views
At least my beliefs can't be disproven by a $40 test at Wal-Mart. TyrReborn - 02/09/2023 03:40:43 PM 739 Views
It's ok. Many of us are quite sad for you too. The Shrike - 29/08/2023 11:10:32 AM 775 Views
I couldn't care less what unbelievers think. You'll meet the Truth, one day. TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 05:45:31 PM 725 Views
No such thing as damnation, but thanks. The Shrike - 31/08/2023 06:55:23 PM 756 Views
Then nothing more needs to be said. See who support your lies, Ghav? They literally deny Love. *NM* TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 07:54:23 PM 424 Views
He understands love a lot better than you do. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/09/2023 04:46:14 AM 365 Views
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You're simply acting deranged at this point. Ghavrel - 03/09/2023 01:13:20 AM 852 Views
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Of course I'm Christian. I confess the faith of the apostles and of the councils. Ghavrel - 03/09/2023 11:41:56 AM 744 Views
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Dude, you have really driven this off the deep end. damookster - 03/09/2023 04:03:16 PM 734 Views
It is not, and I am not. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:06:48 PM 752 Views
You absolutely are damookster - 03/09/2023 09:27:00 PM 750 Views
Caution is not condemnation. Warning is not judgment. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 11:05:17 PM 738 Views
Bro, I'm not worried about your immortal soul. damookster - 03/09/2023 11:35:41 PM 763 Views
I get that. But Ghav, supposedly, is. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 12:09:55 AM 761 Views
You’ve expressed some pretty odious and ugly sentiments. Vodalus - 03/09/2023 10:07:51 PM 739 Views
Yeah, I'm definitely an outsider, and so are you. Legolas - 28/08/2023 07:49:48 PM 739 Views
Ok. TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 05:09:14 AM 746 Views
Schizophrenics suffer violent crime at 14x rate. Is America "schizophobic"? TyrReborn - 01/09/2023 05:01:18 PM 746 Views
I'll chew... entyti - 11/08/2023 10:35:45 PM 799 Views
What's your stance on parents who refuse medical treatment for their children with cancer? Ghavrel - 11/08/2023 11:12:21 PM 780 Views
I think... entyti - 11/08/2023 11:37:52 PM 776 Views
Really? damookster - 12/08/2023 12:02:12 AM 766 Views
Am I being unreasonable? entyti - 12/08/2023 05:16:06 AM 805 Views
Maybe not damookster - 12/08/2023 03:38:50 PM 790 Views
Most of us don't really like "the gays," either. And referring to people as "blacks" is offensive. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/08/2023 12:34:32 AM 354 Views
... is referring to people as "whites" offensive? I really, really hope you say yes. *NM* TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 05:46:07 PM 419 Views
Unfortunately for whites, gays, blacks, and transgenders... entyti - 14/08/2023 06:09:47 PM 732 Views
Their voice only counts *NM* damookster - 14/08/2023 06:20:32 PM 353 Views
Touché *NM* entyti - 14/08/2023 07:12:54 PM 343 Views
You can always choose not to be a dick online. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 08:19:52 PM 332 Views
Now why would I want to do that? entyti - 14/08/2023 11:24:09 PM 727 Views
You're not a dick. You're honest. TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:54:34 PM 741 Views
Why not both? entyti - 15/08/2023 03:01:58 AM 832 Views
Sad, but true. TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 05:22:11 PM 761 Views
Re: I think... Ghavrel - 13/08/2023 12:35:05 AM 755 Views
Re: I'll chew... Legolas - 12/08/2023 03:49:47 PM 785 Views
Re: I'll chew... entyti - 14/08/2023 10:56:15 PM 742 Views
Re: I'll chew... Legolas - 15/08/2023 11:32:12 PM 790 Views
3 weeks later, did you have fun with this thread Tyr? *NM* Roland00 - 28/08/2023 08:16:13 PM 407 Views
We went a bit afield, sure, but hey, the board has a discussion going, doesn't it? *NM* TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 05:00:03 AM 335 Views
Well take care Roland00 - 31/08/2023 11:06:43 PM 918 Views
Same to you. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 04:20:19 AM 755 Views
Seeing things as beautiful or rotting Roland00 - 03/09/2023 05:21:50 PM 770 Views
I could not disagree more. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:13:31 PM 775 Views
See this is about you Roland00 - 03/09/2023 11:22:53 PM 751 Views
No, it's about God. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 11:28:55 PM 739 Views
How much history do you know about Samaritans? Roland00 - 03/09/2023 11:39:54 PM 731 Views
Friend, you can cut the shit. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 12:19:56 AM 817 Views
I was going to talk about Mount Gerizim you nitwit Roland00 - 04/09/2023 01:36:16 AM 755 Views
Oh, my apologies then. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 07:46:57 PM 773 Views
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