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Ok. TyrReborn Send a noteboard - 29/08/2023 05:09:14 AM

Not that I was expecting you to apologize for your earlier remarks after I pointed out Ghav is a trans woman, but I did expect a bit more basic decency and a bit more care in your phrasing, instead of you doubling down as you did.

What should I apologize for? Stating facts? I'm sorry you don't like my phrasing.



That makes about as much sense as outlawing Christianity,

Saying... you can learn to accept yourself for who you are... is comparable to outlawing a religion?





I'm not really sure what you meant by 'unicorns'.

Well then, my apologies. A "unicorn" is an example so rare as to practically not exist. Since we were going with the cancer comparison, I was comparing a unicorn teenage breast cancer victim, to the unicorn teenage social contagion trans-teenager.


No you weren't. In a fair comparison,

You just compared "accepting yourself" to "outlawing religion".



Yeah, see, I have no issue with agreeing to disagree with you on the fundamental points, but I do have an issue with you continuing to refuse to show any respect to trans people in your word choice.

Once again, I'm sorry you don't like my "word choice", but what have I said that is incorrect? Dislike how I say something all you like, but unless I am wrong, you can kindly deal with it, or not engage with me.



I don't think that's actually true. Just because more radical voices are the loudest, doesn't mean they're the most numerous.

Oh, how I wish you were right. I saw a poll the other day, it was among Democrats, mind, and 50% of the respondents said that, yes, "adoptive parents should be required to (sterilize their adopted children) if that is what the kid wanted".

The extremists have won, when 50% of a party is totally cool with sterilizing children.



In fairness to Trump and his rabid fans, their ideology only has a single dogma, being 'Trump's ego is the only thing that matters'. Trump keeps making it abundantly clear that he couldn't care less about transgender rights, nor abortion, nor Christianity, nor respect for American institutions, nor any other major culture war issue

Yet another very important point we're in total agreement on. Fuck this guy; I wish he'd go away or go die.

Still may end up voting against Biden, at this rate.



yet his fans keep supporting him anyway, while scorning the wide variety of more genuine culture warrior options in the Republican primary. As profoundly depressing as Trump's continuing success is in so many ways, it does have some interesting implications for what the true priorities of all those 'religious Right', 'conservative Christians', 'value voters' really are, and what they are not.

A third point we agree with entirely.

I will check your link out and get back to you about it.

But not tonight.

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“Can you imagine our reading that James Madison or Thomas Jefferson tried to overthrow the gov't?" TyrReborn - 03/08/2023 09:02:48 PM 657 Views
I'm curious as to your point in posting this. damookster - 04/08/2023 03:17:48 AM 120 Views
The point is that these uneducated dumbass race-baiters dare to lecture us TyrReborn - 04/08/2023 05:33:36 PM 118 Views
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You only think your view is realistic because you haven't studied enough history. The Shrike - 06/08/2023 04:04:34 PM 110 Views
You're entitled to your optimistic view. *NM* TyrReborn - 06/08/2023 09:18:39 PM 46 Views
Not only is this statistically incorrect, it's historically incorrect. Ghavrel - 08/08/2023 11:35:42 PM 101 Views
Sigh, I understand that it's hard to grasp these days, with our medical miracles, TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 05:52:01 PM 101 Views
Disease is counted as part of wartime casualties. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 08:17:53 PM 95 Views
And Covid killed 1000000 Americans lol TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:49:02 PM 90 Views
You didn't cherry pick anything. You just decided that the consensus of experts is incorrect. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 11:37:05 PM 94 Views
Died of =/= died from, and died during =/= killed TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 04:58:08 PM 97 Views
I don't think so Tom - 07/08/2023 01:54:05 PM 135 Views
These facts would cause you to be denounced as a "putinite fascist"... TyrReborn - 07/08/2023 05:45:05 PM 107 Views
Well, of course it's going to pass Tom - 07/08/2023 06:55:12 PM 112 Views
Tom, you are being far too reasonable. That doesn’t fly in 2023! *NM* damookster - 08/08/2023 12:22:49 AM 53 Views
He is, which is why, I think, he is wrong. *NM* TyrReborn - 08/08/2023 10:18:32 PM 51 Views
I just can't buy that the political and academic class will give up their grip so easily. TyrReborn - 08/08/2023 05:49:58 PM 92 Views
Academics have been pro Marxism for over 100 years. It's nothing new. *NM* damookster - 08/08/2023 05:59:55 PM 49 Views
Maybe. But they've never been this spiteful or spoiled before. TyrReborn - 09/08/2023 01:29:30 PM 90 Views
No, they only recruited students to spy for the Soviets *NM* damookster - 14/08/2023 06:18:58 PM 47 Views
Yes. They do that now, too. Except it's the Chinese. *NM* TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:51:37 PM 49 Views
Do you have sources for that 'far more conservative and far more religious' claim? Legolas - 09/08/2023 07:35:50 PM 105 Views
In regards to more conservative, The Shrike - 09/08/2023 08:35:03 PM 109 Views
You see all this fury because a random dude on the internet calls a dude a dude TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 03:31:00 PM 81 Views
I side with Greg and Tom in this discussion. damookster - 08/08/2023 05:57:54 PM 107 Views
I don't suppose linking medical articles is going to help too much here, but... Ghavrel - 08/08/2023 11:28:05 PM 106 Views
Elizabeth, you know I have a non binary grandchild. damookster - 09/08/2023 01:22:32 AM 105 Views
Yeah, I know, I just think that the statistics are dangerous. Ghavrel - 09/08/2023 04:36:40 AM 103 Views
Respectfully, do you truly believe this? TyrReborn - 09/08/2023 05:42:31 PM 105 Views
I'll bite... Legolas - 09/08/2023 06:39:46 PM 101 Views
Thanks. <3 *NM* Ghavrel - 09/08/2023 08:27:13 PM 50 Views
Your thoughts AgentApple - 11/08/2023 04:14:37 PM 94 Views
Yes, that's true. Legolas - 11/08/2023 06:11:49 PM 98 Views
Re: Yes, that's true. AgentApple - 12/08/2023 04:25:28 PM 94 Views
The issue itself isn't necessarily - the way it's being used, however, is. Legolas - 14/08/2023 05:44:35 PM 88 Views
This is not bait, I am legitimately trying to understand. And if I understand correctly... TyrReborn - 11/08/2023 05:17:02 PM 95 Views
As I said, it wasn't intended as perfect analogy - it's about how much say should children have. Legolas - 11/08/2023 06:44:33 PM 101 Views
No, seriously, only the last one was intended as parody. And I'd like an explanation. TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 05:43:37 PM 89 Views
There aren't a lot of people committing suicide over their teeth coming in. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 08:21:29 PM 88 Views
Indeed. TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:50:53 PM 88 Views
You aren't mentally ill because of your views. You're just an asshole. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 11:35:13 PM 95 Views
Re: No, seriously, only the last one was intended as parody. And I'd like an explanation. Legolas - 15/08/2023 04:14:57 PM 97 Views
See, you're willing to discuss, instead of insult. Others on this board might take note. TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 05:18:39 PM 94 Views
Yeah, well, I have the luxury of an outsider's position... Legolas - 23/08/2023 11:47:24 PM 81 Views
Nobody is an outsider when reality is being attacked. TyrReborn - 25/08/2023 05:40:43 PM 88 Views
Fun facts Vodalus - 26/08/2023 06:22:57 AM 90 Views
There's some evidence that hormonal changes in utero are related to transgenderism. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/08/2023 11:26:21 PM 45 Views
Naturally occurring or iatrogenic? *NM* Vodalus - 26/08/2023 11:37:06 PM 50 Views
The studies are about naturally occuring variance, but that doesn't rule out other causes. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 12:03:16 AM 42 Views
Not really "fun" so much as "a sad reality of biology", but yes. TyrReborn - 27/08/2023 09:42:14 PM 78 Views
Imagine if you had the same attitude towards trans people. Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 12:02:34 AM 74 Views
I may be no endocrinologist, but I at least understand simple biology. XY =/= XX =/= XXY TyrReborn - 28/08/2023 05:40:14 PM 76 Views
One can be an adult trans person and not support mutilation of children. *NM* damookster - 28/08/2023 07:49:32 PM 42 Views
Fair enough. I have some measure of respect for "Caitlyn" Jenner. You do you homie. *NM* TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 04:54:13 AM 40 Views
Simple is definitely true. Shame you never learned biology past what you were taught in high school. Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 11:21:38 PM 81 Views
Right, cause we're "butterflies" TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 04:57:20 AM 85 Views
I go to mass more than you. *NM* Ghavrel - 29/08/2023 09:58:09 AM 46 Views
Wow, really? And you still mutilated your body and told God that He was wrong about you? TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 05:44:32 PM 84 Views
I must say, The Shrike - 31/08/2023 07:04:47 PM 82 Views
Love is being true. Love is being honest. Love is God. TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 07:52:59 PM 75 Views
I appreciate that a great deal. Thank you. I think very highly of you, too. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/09/2023 04:44:58 AM 43 Views
Really went off the deep end there huh... Legolas - 31/08/2023 10:39:02 PM 77 Views
At least my beliefs can't be disproven by a $40 test at Wal-Mart. TyrReborn - 02/09/2023 03:40:43 PM 73 Views
It's ok. Many of us are quite sad for you too. The Shrike - 29/08/2023 11:10:32 AM 75 Views
I couldn't care less what unbelievers think. You'll meet the Truth, one day. TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 05:45:31 PM 75 Views
No such thing as damnation, but thanks. The Shrike - 31/08/2023 06:55:23 PM 75 Views
Then nothing more needs to be said. See who support your lies, Ghav? They literally deny Love. *NM* TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 07:54:23 PM 40 Views
He understands love a lot better than you do. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/09/2023 04:46:14 AM 43 Views
Hah! I knew you didn't worship God. Thanks for admitting it. *NM* TyrReborn - 02/09/2023 03:38:43 PM 42 Views
You're simply acting deranged at this point. Ghavrel - 03/09/2023 01:13:20 AM 87 Views
I hope you don't call yourselves Christian. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 04:11:06 AM 71 Views
Of course I'm Christian. I confess the faith of the apostles and of the councils. Ghavrel - 03/09/2023 11:41:56 AM 70 Views
Would you castrate Michelangelo's David? TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:03:07 PM 70 Views
Dude, you have really driven this off the deep end. damookster - 03/09/2023 04:03:16 PM 78 Views
It is not, and I am not. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:06:48 PM 82 Views
You absolutely are damookster - 03/09/2023 09:27:00 PM 66 Views
Caution is not condemnation. Warning is not judgment. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 11:05:17 PM 73 Views
Bro, I'm not worried about your immortal soul. damookster - 03/09/2023 11:35:41 PM 78 Views
I get that. But Ghav, supposedly, is. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 12:09:55 AM 76 Views
You’ve expressed some pretty odious and ugly sentiments. Vodalus - 03/09/2023 10:07:51 PM 85 Views
Yeah, I'm definitely an outsider, and so are you. Legolas - 28/08/2023 07:49:48 PM 77 Views
Ok. TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 05:09:14 AM 71 Views
Schizophrenics suffer violent crime at 14x rate. Is America "schizophobic"? TyrReborn - 01/09/2023 05:01:18 PM 77 Views
I'll chew... entyti - 11/08/2023 10:35:45 PM 106 Views
What's your stance on parents who refuse medical treatment for their children with cancer? Ghavrel - 11/08/2023 11:12:21 PM 100 Views
I think... entyti - 11/08/2023 11:37:52 PM 100 Views
Really? damookster - 12/08/2023 12:02:12 AM 91 Views
Am I being unreasonable? entyti - 12/08/2023 05:16:06 AM 96 Views
Maybe not damookster - 12/08/2023 03:38:50 PM 108 Views
Most of us don't really like "the gays," either. And referring to people as "blacks" is offensive. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/08/2023 12:34:32 AM 46 Views
... is referring to people as "whites" offensive? I really, really hope you say yes. *NM* TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 05:46:07 PM 47 Views
Unfortunately for whites, gays, blacks, and transgenders... entyti - 14/08/2023 06:09:47 PM 81 Views
Their voice only counts *NM* damookster - 14/08/2023 06:20:32 PM 43 Views
Touché *NM* entyti - 14/08/2023 07:12:54 PM 48 Views
You can always choose not to be a dick online. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 08:19:52 PM 41 Views
Now why would I want to do that? entyti - 14/08/2023 11:24:09 PM 82 Views
You're not a dick. You're honest. TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:54:34 PM 80 Views
Why not both? entyti - 15/08/2023 03:01:58 AM 84 Views
Sad, but true. TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 05:22:11 PM 76 Views
Re: I think... Ghavrel - 13/08/2023 12:35:05 AM 94 Views
Re: I'll chew... Legolas - 12/08/2023 03:49:47 PM 98 Views
Re: I'll chew... entyti - 14/08/2023 10:56:15 PM 86 Views
Re: I'll chew... Legolas - 15/08/2023 11:32:12 PM 88 Views
3 weeks later, did you have fun with this thread Tyr? *NM* Roland00 - 28/08/2023 08:16:13 PM 41 Views
We went a bit afield, sure, but hey, the board has a discussion going, doesn't it? *NM* TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 05:00:03 AM 40 Views
Well take care Roland00 - 31/08/2023 11:06:43 PM 83 Views
Same to you. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 04:20:19 AM 71 Views
Seeing things as beautiful or rotting Roland00 - 03/09/2023 05:21:50 PM 77 Views
I could not disagree more. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:13:31 PM 81 Views
See this is about you Roland00 - 03/09/2023 11:22:53 PM 87 Views
No, it's about God. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 11:28:55 PM 70 Views
How much history do you know about Samaritans? Roland00 - 03/09/2023 11:39:54 PM 73 Views
Friend, you can cut the shit. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 12:19:56 AM 78 Views
I was going to talk about Mount Gerizim you nitwit Roland00 - 04/09/2023 01:36:16 AM 75 Views
Oh, my apologies then. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 07:46:57 PM 75 Views
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