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Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat Send a noteboard - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM

Ever since Yuna got modkilled, we've had some snippets of discussion, but nothing to go forward on. From the recap of what happened, two things stand out to me.

Firstly, Praz's story doesn't completely add up: he says his win conditions align with the Watch's, but he's not a member of the Watch. His Roleblock also came out as something from the Watch. I would really like some explanation for this.
For Stephen's death we're likely looking at Wizards (see, beet, I learn, I learn), unless we find evidence of a Troll or a supernatural being. That means that rana is a suspect. He also doesn't seem to have the Town's aims at heart, as has been discussed primarily by FT yesterDay.

I'm personally willing to go with a Lynch of either Praz or Rana based on this.

Can I have a hand count on the number of ppl willing to have this day go with a No-Lynch again? If we see that we will never get the VNTL, we might as well throw the towel in the ring and go to Night.

Which brings me to a final point I've been pondering: since FT (and any other Watch members - if I would have to guess, Taiga's a member of the Watch too) will win when enough Nights go by without a Lynch, he seems to be rather close to that goal. I would expect a win condition of 3 or 4 Nights to be feasible for this game, but regardless of that goal, the Watch already has had 2 nights without an NK and is thus getting closer to their win condition. Since I'm not sure anybody else can win if the Watch wins, I feel I (and everybody else) should have a vested interest in not letting him get that goal.
But that brings me to a dilemma: in order to stop the Watch from winning, we should have NKs. But I don't wants NK: NKs are the territory of Scum, NKs and maybe a Vig. NKs are deaths in the dark, with less information than a Lynch and a lack of information is invariably bad for the Town. The only other way of stopping the Watch from winning without letting the scum win, is to either win yourself first (which I assume we're all trying to do), or stop the Watch at all. But I'm not Lynching members from a Town-aligned faction, unless I have solid reasons to do so.

Pfff, I can tell you that this part has been making my head hurt for a while already.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1968 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1288 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 864 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 777 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1268 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1220 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1382 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1144 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1166 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1243 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1345 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1230 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1262 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1097 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1148 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1205 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1168 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1260 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1233 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1190 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1157 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1286 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1341 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1343 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1217 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1095 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1242 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1096 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1239 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1296 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1261 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 773 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1245 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 807 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1154 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 759 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1300 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1176 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 713 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 851 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1314 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1198 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1309 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1173 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 724 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1471 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1225 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1180 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1273 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1256 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 711 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1303 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1172 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1130 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1286 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1244 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1282 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1250 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1158 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1180 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1259 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1357 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1181 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1291 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1204 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1067 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1133 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1272 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1155 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1297 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1231 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1337 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1465 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1179 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1549 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1297 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1184 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1222 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1247 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1355 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1422 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1313 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1475 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1232 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1295 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1126 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1611 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1125 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 850 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 886 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1314 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1307 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1233 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1615 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1681 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1315 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1218 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 740 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1230 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1665 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1613 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1289 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1366 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1106 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 941 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1204 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1291 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1350 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1230 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1638 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1315 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 958 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 730 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 996 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 693 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1557 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1259 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1589 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1195 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1542 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1343 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 974 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1273 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 991 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 867 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 863 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 720 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 895 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1192 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1097 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1638 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1175 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1537 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 729 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1229 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1595 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1235 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1184 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1505 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 787 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1534 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1625 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1743 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 775 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 884 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1579 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 728 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 859 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 740 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1708 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1612 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 777 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 931 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 917 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1587 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1714 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1663 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 955 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1008 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2072 Views
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