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Thanks for the answers. Darth_Katie Send a noteboard - 15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM
So Beet: where you intending to level accusations against Isaac or what? Honestly, what are your thoughts on the matter? Who do you think we should chase after Today?

Honestly? I'm still not sure. I WAS sure (well, 90%) about F-T; I detailed my reasons on Day 1, and I'll mention them at the end of this post.

The problem is that all of the focus is on Issac and me. I've defended myself. With Issac, I don't have nearly the same certainty.


Well, I know one of the reasons you stand out to me is simply because you took a strong stance yesterday. There were so few people who did so, those who do tend to stick in the mind. And of course, there's the potential for evil that goes along with your particular case. ;)

I mentioned on Day 1 that I didn't think Issac was a DF, just because of the massive amounts of text he wrote attacking FT. If Issac was a DF, he'd have known he was setting himself up for suspicion, and probably would have backed off a bit.

Now, Issac's been aggressive towards me today (at least, compared to all of the other players). I find myself in the same dilemma F-T was in: I know I'm innocent, so is this a case of a DF trying to drum up support for a lynch against me, or is it just Issac seizing on one of the few pieces of evidence available, and seeing where it leads?

Annoyingly, I'd have to say Issac seems innocent to me. The rest of you (barring Kronin, I think?) have more or less supported me, or at the least don't seem to find me nearly as suspicious as Issac does. Again, a DF would probably back off, right?

Or it could just be an example of the aggressive playstyle that Issac himself has admitted he uses (hold on... I'll go find the damn quote!).......................................................................................................................................................................................................OK, so I hate the world for hunting through every post to find this stupid thing.


PS I'm not accusing Issac, mostly BECAUSE he's been so dogged in attacking F-T. A DF wouldn't be that blatant, especially on Day 1.

Yes, I would. I hate to say it, but if I don't someone else will. ;) Df or townie, I tend to instigate the majority of Day 1 lynches.

So yeah, the reason I keep mentioning Issac without making a direct accusation is because while it's true he's one of the few things we are ABLE to discuss (along with me, FT, voting records, and the night kills), I don't have enough evidence yay or nay to make a convincing case, even for myself.


We appreciate the quote hunting. :D

Basically: I Am Open To Ideas. Anyone Have Some?


I guess we ought to see where Fox's accusation against Hieshyn go.

I pretty much agree on this point. I am never EVER sure about anything, and when I am I usually turn out to be wrong. The fact of the matter was that there was no evidence for either side, and both scenarios were just about equally likely.

Actually, since I'm already quoting things, I'll just quote my reasoning from Day 1:

My only main objection is your point saying that a non-random lynch is better than a random lynch. This CAN be true, but isn't always the case. A lynch isn't better simply because it's non-random; a lynch is better because it's non-random and built upon solid logic (or at least solid guesses).

Above, I made a post thinking about F-T's logic. It boiled down to two scenarios:

1) He is a DF, and decided to go from having zero suspicion on him to having major suspicion on him, on Day One. Likely part of an elaborate scheme to preemptively allay suspicion if the cop investigates him.

2) He is a Miller, knew something like this would come up eventually, and decided to do it now, rather than after he'd been investigated.

2 seems much, much more likely to me. It's obviously not working out as well as F-T had hoped, but a similar thing happened to Hopper last game: both had plans they thought would help the town, but instead drew the town's suspicion upon themselves.

Plan 1 requires a long term gambit, flying in the face of accepted DF wisdom, and ignoring the fact that on Day 1, everyone is pretty much equally suspicious- painting a bullseye on your face and telling people its fake doesn't make you less suspicious.

I was basically playing the odds like everyone else, but my rationale was "Which is more likely: A DF exposing himself for no reason, or a Lightsider trying something unorthodox and getting jumped on by nervous villagers?" Add to that the fact that many DFs have alternate abilities that make sacrificing even less attractive, and I felt confident in my choice.


Well, I suppose you were right in the end, but I still think that it was a rather over-confidant assumption. Idk. Both you and Isaac have become Persons of Interest, but we'll see.
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Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 is over. Gher - 08/02/2010 06:53:53 PM 3444 Views
List of Players Gher - 08/02/2010 06:58:04 PM 1239 Views
This is great, thanks! *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:19:25 AM 770 Views
Vote: Hieshyn Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 03:25:25 AM 1334 Views
Crap! Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 03:26:24 AM 1219 Views
Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion Fox and Ravens - 08/02/2010 08:53:49 PM 1386 Views
Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion Isaac - 08/02/2010 09:28:57 PM 1184 Views
Hey, by the way, are you Mafia? beetnemesis - 08/02/2010 09:34:46 PM 1334 Views
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Now that's a questionable claim. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 02:36:25 AM 1285 Views
Hah! You underestimate my ego, madam! beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:25:28 AM 1184 Views
A few questions and comments beetnemesis - 08/02/2010 09:29:06 PM 1263 Views
Re: A few questions and comments Fox and Ravens - 08/02/2010 10:31:32 PM 1264 Views
Re: A few questions and comments beetnemesis - 08/02/2010 11:23:07 PM 1058 Views
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Re: Third Party Fox and Ravens - 08/02/2010 10:34:38 PM 1201 Views
Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion White Flame of Tar Valon - 09/02/2010 02:47:03 AM 1243 Views
Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion Isaac - 09/02/2010 03:53:18 AM 1223 Views
I thinking Lynching F-T was the right thing to do. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 04:45:13 AM 1199 Views
RBIRL ... test tomorrow. Probably not going to post tonight. *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 12:03:38 AM 755 Views
You know what? Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:17:52 AM 1211 Views
NO! Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 01:31:57 AM 1168 Views
Re: You know what? Isaac - 09/02/2010 01:34:42 AM 1153 Views
Heh, inorganic chemistry. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:57:39 AM 1209 Views
Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. White Flame of Tar Valon - 09/02/2010 02:38:45 AM 1207 Views
Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. Isaac - 09/02/2010 03:29:32 AM 1258 Views
Oh, I learned all those lessons last year. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 04:05:04 AM 1161 Views
Re: Oh, I learned all those lessons last year. Isaac - 09/02/2010 04:50:41 AM 1292 Views
Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 03:36:28 AM 1236 Views
Well thanks for the encouragement. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 04:14:50 AM 1398 Views
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See, that way the betrayal is personal. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 04:41:47 AM 1422 Views
Ouch *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 04:58:13 PM 738 Views
*NM* Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 01:02:30 AM 686 Views
Hypocop (Table) Kronin al'Sulc - 09/02/2010 12:59:06 AM 1287 Views
Beetnemesis, innocent. *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:17:10 AM 686 Views
Okay Isaac - 09/02/2010 01:29:09 AM 1083 Views
Kronin, innocent. *NM* Hobo - 09/02/2010 01:53:09 AM 647 Views
Isaac, Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 09/02/2010 02:12:07 AM 745 Views
Isaac, innocent *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 09/02/2010 02:37:54 AM 678 Views
I investigated Fox and Ravens and found hi to be for the shadow. *NM* Hieshyn - 09/02/2010 04:46:50 AM 690 Views
Investigated fistofpainx, found him to be innocent *NM* beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:27:37 AM 691 Views
DK, found her innocent *NM* fistofpainx - 09/02/2010 01:48:11 PM 713 Views
Fox and Ravens, Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 03:57:50 PM 674 Views
Vote Record (Table) Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:30:51 AM 1274 Views
I'll add: list of players who did NOT vote yesterday beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:46:38 AM 1238 Views
RBIRL Hieshyn - 09/02/2010 04:45:19 AM 1168 Views
Hmmm, Hobo - 09/02/2010 06:18:29 AM 1189 Views
We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles? beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:35:05 AM 1102 Views
Re: We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles? Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 07:16:19 AM 1204 Views
Re: Hmmm, Isaac - 09/02/2010 07:20:02 AM 1128 Views
Yeah, I agree with the Blaine rationalization beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 08:57:19 AM 1182 Views
Huh. Oh boy oh Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 06:39:15 AM 1027 Views
Care to give us your thoughts? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 07:26:09 AM 727 Views
Well, losing Doc and Deputy same night is bound to cause trouble. Especially losing Doc. *NM* Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 08:54:49 AM 690 Views
Well, yeah... Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 04:57:26 PM 1328 Views
Re: Well, yeah... Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 07:27:00 PM 1136 Views
I want to throw this out here. Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 07:21:04 AM 1244 Views
What changed your mind? *NM* beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 08:58:09 AM 686 Views
Well, I realized I was the one telling everyone to just vote for someone. Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 04:56:17 PM 1202 Views
*NM* Fanatic-Templar - 10/02/2010 02:56:52 AM 615 Views
I thought you'd like that. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 10/02/2010 01:00:19 PM 608 Views
I was going to post a few thoughts here this morning... ranagrande - 09/02/2010 01:49:26 PM 1195 Views
Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? Hobo - 10/02/2010 12:09:47 AM 1259 Views
What tips me off is the "melted plastic". Kronin al'Sulc - 10/02/2010 12:22:56 AM 1090 Views
Good point. Is an arsonist usually a third party? *NM* Hobo - 10/02/2010 12:28:10 AM 643 Views
That's so arbitrary, though. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 12:57:09 AM 1061 Views
EBWOP: It's probably not a vigilante. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 01:05:57 AM 1290 Views
That seems like good reasoning beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 01:50:47 AM 1224 Views
Re: That seems like good reasoning Isaac - 10/02/2010 01:58:14 AM 1237 Views
That's a vig rule? I did not know that beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 08:16:56 PM 1202 Views
Well, it's pretty common sense. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 09:09:09 PM 1309 Views
I think he might have been referring to vigilante kills being blockable ranagrande - 10/02/2010 09:43:53 PM 1146 Views
Oh, my bad then! *NM* Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 10:19:13 PM 700 Views
As the resident expert on vigilantism ranagrande - 10/02/2010 08:04:17 PM 1512 Views
Youre the resident expert on vigilantism? *NM* Hobo - 11/02/2010 11:06:24 PM 685 Views
He was a vig once or twice. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 12/02/2010 01:33:57 AM 723 Views
I was the best vigilante you guys have ever had! *NM* ranagrande - 12/02/2010 02:19:57 AM 674 Views
The only vigilante we've ever had. Darth_Katie - 12/02/2010 02:25:20 AM 1146 Views
Wait, haven't you proposed an arsonist most games. *NM* Hobo - 10/02/2010 04:37:33 AM 667 Views
Maybe it's been proposed. Kronin al'Sulc - 10/02/2010 05:19:10 AM 1246 Views
Re: Maybe it's been proposed. Hobo - 10/02/2010 05:56:10 AM 1177 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? Isaac - 10/02/2010 12:50:51 AM 1360 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? White Flame of Tar Valon - 10/02/2010 01:11:50 AM 1134 Views
Because we have a SK *NM* Hieshyn - 10/02/2010 05:14:00 AM 636 Views
I agree that we probably have a SK ranagrande - 10/02/2010 07:50:33 PM 1157 Views
Nah, I was just saying *NM* Hieshyn - 11/02/2010 05:06:54 AM 698 Views
wait a minute fistofpainx - 10/02/2010 01:15:32 PM 1215 Views
Sensors? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 10/02/2010 01:42:36 PM 589 Views
Another thing Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 04:42:50 PM 1322 Views
F-T, I assume beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 05:08:58 PM 1146 Views
Probably, might be a hint at an RB but I doubt it *NM* Isaac - 10/02/2010 06:57:01 PM 700 Views
I don't think it could be a RB ranagrande - 10/02/2010 07:47:55 PM 1252 Views
Probably not, but not for that reason Isaac - 10/02/2010 08:32:57 PM 1218 Views
Huh. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 09:11:29 PM 1220 Views
Did anyone get any messages last night? beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 08:23:03 PM 1160 Views
Nope *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 10/02/2010 08:35:18 PM 665 Views
Me neither. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 09:14:46 PM 1207 Views
Re: Me neither. ranagrande - 10/02/2010 09:41:19 PM 1334 Views
RBIRL Fox and Ravens - 11/02/2010 04:52:12 PM 1153 Views
Good luck! *NM* Darth_Katie - 11/02/2010 07:05:40 PM 639 Views
Re: RBIRL Isaac - 11/02/2010 09:59:39 PM 1392 Views
We're stalling out a bit Isaac - 11/02/2010 10:05:09 PM 1160 Views
Yep. Darth_Katie - 12/02/2010 02:58:02 AM 1102 Views
We could talk about my heroic failure to defend the innocent some more? Fine... beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 07:12:51 AM 1233 Views
You seem engaged in a very active defense so far this game Isaac - 12/02/2010 09:40:23 PM 1388 Views
Yawn... beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 11:28:50 PM 1347 Views
Re: Yawn... Isaac - 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM 1314 Views
Re: Yawn... Darth_Katie - 13/02/2010 01:31:41 AM 1241 Views
Re: Yawn... ranagrande - 13/02/2010 02:24:40 AM 1191 Views
He's brought up accusations on himself Isaac - 13/02/2010 02:40:01 AM 1355 Views
Dammit, I had a post and then it got deleted. Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 01:45:31 AM 1177 Views
Alrighty, let's try this again. Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 06:38:26 AM 1045 Views
Always happy to answer your questions beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:35:35 AM 1077 Views
Thanks for the answers. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM 1192 Views
Re: Yawn... beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 02:02:34 AM 1264 Views
Re: Yawn... Isaac - 13/02/2010 02:48:22 AM 1140 Views
On F-T's accusations against you. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 01:54:20 AM 1225 Views
Re: On F-T's accusations against you. Isaac - 14/02/2010 03:43:52 AM 1118 Views
Oh, right, I modded that one. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 04:11:46 AM 1146 Views
That's right, I am the Breaker of Unbroken Records Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 05:56:52 AM 1195 Views
Actually, quite few of my streaks were broken on that one Isaac - 14/02/2010 08:43:09 AM 1105 Views
I'm in second? Woo! Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 02:46:05 PM 1189 Views
Yep, welcome to being a lightning rod Isaac - 14/02/2010 09:10:43 PM 1327 Views
I'm not gonna be as targeted as you; I've died a LOT. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 11:17:24 PM 1192 Views
Ironically I don't think I've ever killed you Isaac - 14/02/2010 11:56:03 PM 1173 Views
Game 1 I remember. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 12:01:21 AM 1060 Views
Re: Game 1 I remember. Isaac - 15/02/2010 12:19:30 AM 1389 Views
Three stalled out over the winter holidays and we had to restart. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 01:26:59 AM 1372 Views
Oh, the MHael Steve incident! Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 04:42:31 AM 1177 Views
The game? Oh, right, that. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 04:41:43 AM 1094 Views
Actually... Gher - 15/02/2010 04:57:50 PM 1282 Views
Sorry, it was my first game. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 03:34:16 AM 1362 Views
That was my point actually. Gher - 16/02/2010 06:25:17 AM 1237 Views
Those were the good old days. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:21:44 AM 1233 Views
random thoughts ranagrande - 15/02/2010 12:46:55 PM 1136 Views
I wasn't in that game. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:19:06 AM 1145 Views
A second line of thought: ranagrande beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 07:40:37 AM 1453 Views
Argh... quote please Isaac - 12/02/2010 08:54:08 PM 1220 Views
Haha, fair enough beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 11:30:54 PM 1040 Views
I was getting all set to defend myself ranagrande - 13/02/2010 01:21:58 AM 1301 Views
RBIRL White Flame of Tar Valon - 14/02/2010 06:11:55 AM 1239 Views
Back White Flame of Tar Valon - 18/02/2010 02:14:25 AM 1252 Views
Vote: Hieshyn Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 03:27:04 AM 1045 Views
Re: Hieshyn ranagrande - 15/02/2010 12:54:42 PM 1339 Views
Well, it's less that discussion is winding down, and more that we don't have any new topics beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 05:48:22 PM 1096 Views
That's giving up awfully early. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:35:37 PM 1118 Views
Never give up! Never surrender! ranagrande - 15/02/2010 08:31:19 PM 1247 Views
Well this was unexpected. Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 06:07:44 PM 1152 Views
Re: Well this was unexpected. Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 08:30:57 PM 1166 Views
I think he's saying that he's been quiet because he's busy, not a DF beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:39:53 PM 1074 Views
I don't think so Isaac - 16/02/2010 12:09:13 AM 1181 Views
I assumed Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 12:14:16 AM 1167 Views
Re: I assumed Isaac - 16/02/2010 01:28:43 AM 1230 Views
In a way Isaac is right Hieshyn - 16/02/2010 05:24:08 AM 1198 Views
If he was the SK Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:55:38 PM 1274 Views
How many games did you guys play on wotmania, anyway? beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:43:04 PM 1150 Views
9 *NM* Gher - 15/02/2010 08:53:23 PM 714 Views
Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. Gher - 15/02/2010 08:53:03 PM 1144 Views
Oh that's right! Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM 1125 Views
We just took that game over. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 10:12:43 PM 1213 Views
Oh yeah, we owned that one Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:48:12 PM 1113 Views
Re: Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:54:44 PM 1233 Views
Lol irony Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 12:16:49 AM 1198 Views
what I thought was pretty funny fistofpainx - 16/02/2010 12:41:47 AM 1194 Views
Heh heh the Cairhienins would be proud *NM* Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 01:11:13 AM 698 Views
Oh, Isaac got High Seat there, didn't he? Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 01:33:05 AM 1202 Views
That was a fun one. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:32:02 AM 1236 Views
So, it's just because he hasn't been talking much? That fits a lot of people beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 09:31:02 PM 1275 Views
well I really dont have anything worthwhile to say *NM* fistofpainx - 15/02/2010 10:06:11 PM 758 Views
Eh... not good enough beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 12:19:22 AM 1183 Views
Holiday weekend Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:49:37 PM 1144 Views
OK, I'm glad that vote got some discussion flowing. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 02:58:55 AM 1287 Views
Ooo sneaky sneaky Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM 1392 Views
Re: Ooo sneaky sneaky Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 04:25:26 AM 1209 Views
It wasn't really a big thing. Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 04:46:54 AM 1266 Views
Re: It wasn't really a big thing. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 05:30:34 AM 1221 Views
You know doing this sort of thing can get you lynched Isaac - 16/02/2010 04:40:23 AM 1264 Views
Oh, I know it can. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 05:23:13 AM 1220 Views
Re: Oh, I know it can. Isaac - 16/02/2010 07:00:53 AM 1288 Views
Since when are you against traps? Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 04:07:05 PM 1118 Views
Since game 4 or 5, roughly Isaac - 16/02/2010 10:57:19 PM 1163 Views
It's weird- I've never played Live Mafia, but I imagine it's very different. beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 08:58:09 AM 1295 Views
I'm glad it did too. ranagrande - 16/02/2010 01:16:14 PM 1220 Views
Regarding Inactivity and whatnot Gher - 16/02/2010 06:22:14 AM 1280 Views
I'm still here, I've been busy with studying, and hadn't realized I was gone this long. Bergioyn - 16/02/2010 06:50:44 AM 1187 Views
RBIRL - exams Thursday *NM* Darth_Katie - 17/02/2010 02:11:27 AM 712 Views
Sorry all. Friday thru Monday suddenly got really hectic, I wasn't home much at all. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:54:02 AM 1204 Views
So, where are we at? Isaac - 18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM 1209 Views
Re: So, where are we at? Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 03:55:33 AM 1242 Views
EBWOP: Issac's maybe only a 5.5. No, a 5.7 beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 06:58:40 AM 1235 Views
OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:08:36 AM 1326 Views
Re: OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself Isaac - 18/02/2010 07:54:05 AM 1196 Views
Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM 1104 Views
Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off. Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM 1132 Views
You seem to have misunbderstood my question Isaac - 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM 1141 Views
Re: You seem to have misunbderstood my question Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 05:10:14 PM 1312 Views
Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 Isaac - 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM 1150 Views
My post, "Re: Hieshyn" ranagrande - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1365 Views
Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1139 Views
Thanks, all right let's review it Isaac - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1190 Views
A few thoughts ranagrande - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1140 Views
Alright then. Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 969 Views
EBWOP Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM 1280 Views
Haha, I'm sorry beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1140 Views
Re: EBWOP Isaac - 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM 1272 Views
Naive? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM 1280 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick Isaac - 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM 1229 Views
We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 1027 Views
Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1122 Views
Re: Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:40:47 PM 1105 Views
That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1186 Views
Re: EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1096 Views
Re: EBWOP Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM 1111 Views
Speaking of that game Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1168 Views
Re: Speaking of that game Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:24:16 PM 1168 Views
Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1167 Views
Hey. Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1206 Views
Re: Hey. White Flame of Tar Valon - 18/02/2010 05:19:30 PM 1220 Views
Re: Hey. ranagrande - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1151 Views
Re: Hey. Isaac - 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM 1287 Views
FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM 1111 Views
Don't put words in my mouth. Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1258 Views
Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 705 Views
Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 696 Views
But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM 679 Views
Fair enough *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 656 Views
fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1196 Views
I think that fistofpainx - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1254 Views
Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1162 Views
All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1164 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1093 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1230 Views
I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. Darth_Katie - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1137 Views
Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1189 Views
About voting ranagrande - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1216 Views
Idk if that question about voting can be answered. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1249 Views
In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) Gher - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1214 Views
Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1249 Views
I agree ranagrande - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1046 Views
Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1152 Views
Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1151 Views
Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 683 Views
After seeing this thread.... Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1068 Views
Go ahead and start one then. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1203 Views
Re: Go ahead and start one then. Isaac - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1296 Views
Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1289 Views
Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1349 Views
Well, these are as good a starting point as any. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1152 Views
I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1195 Views
Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 764 Views
Fox and Ranagrande Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1284 Views
Some comments... Fox and Ravens - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1248 Views
Alright. Gher - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1247 Views
Thanks Fox and Ravens - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1100 Views
Re: Thanks Isaac - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1097 Views
Ranagrande *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 659 Views
Really? beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1186 Views
Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 724 Views
That's hilarious. *NM* Darth_Katie - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 679 Views
Re: Thanks beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1183 Views
I do have a question Isaac - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1254 Views
A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1243 Views
Well, you kind of said it yourself. Darth_Katie - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1148 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1235 Views
Not sure I follow Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1247 Views
Because I might just be blinding myself here. Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1260 Views
Oh, okay. That does make sense. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1366 Views
I think I do ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1127 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1160 Views
EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 676 Views
Items of note from my NB archive: beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1315 Views
I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1361 Views
I'm feeling the same thing. Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1197 Views
I hadn't even seen Beet's post at the bottom there until after I'd posted this. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:44:49 PM 1179 Views
Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1179 Views
Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 Bergioyn - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1271 Views
Alright. Here's a quick synposis Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1244 Views
That sounds about right to me. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1206 Views
I'll try to, I just may not have the time to. If I do, I'll definately read them all. *NM* Bergioyn - 23/02/2010 07:05:24 AM 620 Views
(My two cents) beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1238 Views
Dude. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1228 Views
Re: Dude. beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1179 Views
Thanks. Bergioyn - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1241 Views
Another minor piece against ranagrande beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1268 Views
You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1260 Views
Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1334 Views
Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande Isaac - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1374 Views
Fair enough beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1318 Views
Re: Fair enough Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1223 Views
Re: Fair enough Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1174 Views
Numbers? beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1331 Views
Re: Numbers? Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1327 Views
I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1141 Views
Maybe I missed it.... Kronin al'Sulc - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1291 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1173 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... White Flame of Tar Valon - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1140 Views
I will destroy the world beetnemesis - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1285 Views
And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 583 Views
Ok, that's totally different... beetnemesis - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1138 Views
All that's different is the presumed final intent. Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1252 Views
Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* Darth_Katie - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 585 Views
Yea.... beet's looking worse and worse every time he opens his mouth, so to speak. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 09:00:47 PM 686 Views
No, this is my view: beetnemesis - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1279 Views
And my view was: Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1161 Views
shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1233 Views
I'm just pointing out the irony. Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1160 Views
Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1184 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* Hieshyn - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 679 Views
Can I ask why? Fox and Ravens - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1173 Views
I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* ranagrande - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 683 Views
Ditto. *NM* Darth_Katie - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 694 Views
My, my, how totally unexpected Isaac - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1238 Views
Reasoning would be nice *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 680 Views
Eh? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 668 Views
Hieshyn I will DESTROY you beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1154 Views
We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn Isaac - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1337 Views
You're right, Isaac. Fox and Ravens - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1337 Views
Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 588 Views
I'll agree. Beet has been suspicious, and we havent found enough with ranagrande to continue *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 26/02/2010 02:00:36 AM 713 Views
Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! ranagrande - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1244 Views
At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap beetnemesis - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1237 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap Fox and Ravens - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1249 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap beetnemesis - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1296 Views
RBIRL. Had a lot of school stuff, gone for the weekend. Sorry. *NM* Hobo - 27/02/2010 01:05:40 AM 682 Views
Sorry I've been insanely busy. Hieshyn - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1324 Views
Here's what I'm getting from this: beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1215 Views
Could be Hieshyn - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1175 Views
Re: Could be Isaac - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1266 Views
This seems a lot like an OMGUS. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1126 Views
Well, we have a very weird situation here Isaac - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1234 Views
Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1034 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1215 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1126 Views
Gotcha, thanks. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 702 Views
Okay, let's try to finish off today Isaac - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1234 Views
Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1405 Views
Interesting. Darth_Katie - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1158 Views
I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it Isaac - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1205 Views
Oh, right. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1076 Views
Vote: ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1160 Views
Hmmm White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1051 Views
Re: Hmmm beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1211 Views
What, if anything, has changed? Isaac - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1174 Views
Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 648 Views
A little joke Isaac - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 1775 Views
Haha nice. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1314 Views
Re: Haha nice. Isaac - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 1729 Views
Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1141 Views
Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* Darth_Katie - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 689 Views
Yikes (warning: lots of text) beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1174 Views
Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? Isaac - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1152 Views
Because you have often said you're a lightning rod beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1291 Views
Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis Kronin al'Sulc - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1172 Views
fair enough White Flame of Tar Valon - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1116 Views
Yeah, I would like an explanation. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1154 Views
Vote: beetnemesis White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1224 Views
EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1150 Views
"Jumpy?" beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1103 Views
Re: "Jumpy?" White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1207 Views
I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1253 Views
What a rebel beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1147 Views
me and beet ranagrande - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1252 Views
my stance on voting fistofpainx - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1291 Views
Re: my stance on voting White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1319 Views
well the reason my not posting as much fistofpainx - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1196 Views
Re: well the reason my not posting as much White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1100 Views
Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? Hieshyn - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1318 Views
LOL *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 651 Views
RBIRL until thursday. Bergioyn - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1130 Views
You undecided people really need to make up your minds Fox and Ravens - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1206 Views
Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* beetnemesis - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 656 Views
Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* Isaac - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 746 Views
Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? Gher - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1161 Views
Please Fox and Ravens - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1213 Views
beetnemesis - 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1331 Views
Re: Fox and Ravens - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1235 Views
Did you unvote? Gher - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1264 Views
I always forget that! Fox and Ravens - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1133 Views
I'm sorry. Darth_Katie - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1223 Views
But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1163 Views
Its Hammer Time! Hieshyn - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1203 Views
Re: Its Hammer Time! White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1124 Views
I hope you all feel really guilty about this beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1063 Views
Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days Isaac - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1058 Views
..I can and HAVE rebutted these. beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1134 Views
EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1106 Views
I'm sorry, I am not convinced Isaac - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1060 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1142 Views
Well you figured very wrong Isaac - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1293 Views
All right, let's look at this Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1264 Views
This is a very interesting development ranagrande - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1276 Views
Ditto. Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1394 Views
Re: All right, let's look at this White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1044 Views
Gosh. beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1184 Views
I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. Fox and Ravens - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1280 Views
We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1175 Views
Now we are down to Fist White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1105 Views
At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1204 Views
You brought this upon yourself. Kronin al'Sulc - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1149 Views
Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1229 Views
Kronin al'Sulc - 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1250 Views
I'm back. Hobo - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1258 Views
I'll give it a shot beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1277 Views
Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1297 Views
No. *NM* Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 718 Views
No *NM* ranagrande - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 704 Views
Nope. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 631 Views
Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 671 Views
Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 599 Views
No *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 726 Views
No *NM* Hieshyn - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 663 Views
No, sir *NM* Fox and Ravens - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 764 Views
Nope. *NM* Hobo - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 645 Views
No. *NM* Bergioyn - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 675 Views
no *NM* fistofpainx - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 687 Views
Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay Isaac - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1056 Views
To the roleblocker: beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1259 Views
That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* Isaac - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 691 Views
I think that's everyone. Darth_Katie - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1074 Views
I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1375 Views
Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1322 Views
RBIRL White Flame of Tar Valon - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1117 Views
Well, Beet already hammered. Hobo - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1166 Views
Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1218 Views
Not a bad idea Isaac - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1245 Views
Beetnemesis has been lynched Gher - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1216 Views
Sorry Beet! *NM* Fox and Ravens - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 669 Views
You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* beetnemesis - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 594 Views
Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* Hieshyn - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 743 Views
I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! beetnemesis - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1282 Views
Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven ranagrande - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1282 Views
In both places, the humans are our slaves beetnemesis - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1312 Views
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