Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no
Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM
We can't direct mod quote in a game because it's a way for people to game the system. Players can dump their role or night message on the board, and especially for more flavor-oriented mods who write longer pieces this is a chance for a player to establish innocence. It's pretty hard to clone someone else's writing style, especially in long message, that's why paraphrasing is allowed, they don't gain the extra credit.
In this case, I'd say precedent has already been established. Some games back during the middle of a game I posted my night allies and my own NB's back and forth, IIRC this was Cor and I in game 7, during the middle of the game and Hobo? and White Flame? responded in kind. So player NB's mid game are not banned and wouldn't be afterwards, I should think. Post-game, people have quoted those messages themselves by posting their roles, and mods regularly post up the entire night message texts after the game. So basically, based on previous examples, players can quote each other mid-game, but can not directly quote the mod mid-game, and otherwise everythings on the table, I'm not even sure that players can't modquote to their allies via NB, although that probably should be banned even if it isn't really enforceable since otherwise allies can demand it from each other, whcih certainly any mason would want to do these days and even DFs have reason to fear a traitor in their midsts.
Any rules in the game should exist only if it meets one or both of the following standards:
A) Is required for effective and fair gameplay
B) Clearly encourages active and friendly game play
e.g., Inactivity mod-kills, bans on highly personal attacks and vicious language, ec.
Well, that's my initial take on it, it seems we really have four questions up for ruling, so let's see how this applies to them:
1) Can you modquote after a game? (I think this would obviously not include that game's mod)
2) Can you NB-quote players during the same game
3) Can you modquote via NB during a game?
4) Can you NB-quote players after a game?
I would go with yes, no, no, and yes respectively. And my reasoning is as follows:
1) Can you modquote after a game? (I think this would obviously not include that game's mod)
Yes. The ability of a direct quote to establish high levels of credibility would disdvantage the non-town players, and start an unnecessary and distracting sidebars about forgery and potential hurtful remarks, i.e. "Well, Isaac regularly mispells 'think' as 'tihnk' and that's in this message so it's true" Though that's obviously a benign example, I don't think mod's, who are required to be fairly quiet even when people are lying about their comments, should have to be subjected to grammar analysis mid-game. As this is essentially the reason for the rule to begin with, and does not apply after a game has concluded, nor should the rule.
2) Can you NB-quote players during the same game?
No. Although this has already been done, we would instantly begin requiring any mason claim back it up with an immediate and full release of posts, it is not unusual for a mason-pairing to have a role as a member or to discuss strategy rather openly, or list potentially code phrases meant to allow mid-game coordination. Insofar as the point of being a mason is the ability to secretly communicate, you basically render the role weaker by allowing, and thus requiring post RC, quotation of exchanged messages.
3) Can you modquote via NB during a game?
No. Not only have masons often had DFs in them, but roles may appear as well and understandably not trust their colleague. Similiarly, we will eventually have a game featuring a traitor DF. Both situations would be severely compromised if rules permitted this, since they would have to comply, where as a ban allows them to legitimately say "No, that's against the rules" if asked for it. THeir allies could not press the point if they did suspect a traitor, since they'd have to fear being reported to the mod by a player who if such suspicions were warranted would have every motive to report them and have them modkilled.
4) Can you NB-quote players after a game?
Yes. This has already been done and it can not interrupt the game in which it occured by defintion. In terms of effecting gameplay, there really is none. However players should not expect anyone to feel obliged to comply with requests for such NBs nor assume they are under any compulsion to give them or give all of them. If X said "Y always used the words 'From my perspective' when lying" they may want to keep this a secret for strategic reasons, and obviously should mention as much to their allies henceforth. Common courtesy should prevent any harsh or demeaning commetns about toher players or mods in message, and similiarly should remind other players to remove those statements made by allies prior to posting it for all to see, however, it can not go back in time and effect the game in play, thus is not legitimately something we can ban.
All right, that's my opinions on the matter, I will submit my 'true opinion' to Gher via NB, but you may safely assume it will be this same message. Does anyone see a flaw in this logic or additional downsides I haven't covered?
In this case, I'd say precedent has already been established. Some games back during the middle of a game I posted my night allies and my own NB's back and forth, IIRC this was Cor and I in game 7, during the middle of the game and Hobo? and White Flame? responded in kind. So player NB's mid game are not banned and wouldn't be afterwards, I should think. Post-game, people have quoted those messages themselves by posting their roles, and mods regularly post up the entire night message texts after the game. So basically, based on previous examples, players can quote each other mid-game, but can not directly quote the mod mid-game, and otherwise everythings on the table, I'm not even sure that players can't modquote to their allies via NB, although that probably should be banned even if it isn't really enforceable since otherwise allies can demand it from each other, whcih certainly any mason would want to do these days and even DFs have reason to fear a traitor in their midsts.
Any rules in the game should exist only if it meets one or both of the following standards:
A) Is required for effective and fair gameplay
B) Clearly encourages active and friendly game play
e.g., Inactivity mod-kills, bans on highly personal attacks and vicious language, ec.
Well, that's my initial take on it, it seems we really have four questions up for ruling, so let's see how this applies to them:
1) Can you modquote after a game? (I think this would obviously not include that game's mod)
2) Can you NB-quote players during the same game
3) Can you modquote via NB during a game?
4) Can you NB-quote players after a game?
I would go with yes, no, no, and yes respectively. And my reasoning is as follows:
1) Can you modquote after a game? (I think this would obviously not include that game's mod)
Yes. The ability of a direct quote to establish high levels of credibility would disdvantage the non-town players, and start an unnecessary and distracting sidebars about forgery and potential hurtful remarks, i.e. "Well, Isaac regularly mispells 'think' as 'tihnk' and that's in this message so it's true" Though that's obviously a benign example, I don't think mod's, who are required to be fairly quiet even when people are lying about their comments, should have to be subjected to grammar analysis mid-game. As this is essentially the reason for the rule to begin with, and does not apply after a game has concluded, nor should the rule.
2) Can you NB-quote players during the same game?
No. Although this has already been done, we would instantly begin requiring any mason claim back it up with an immediate and full release of posts, it is not unusual for a mason-pairing to have a role as a member or to discuss strategy rather openly, or list potentially code phrases meant to allow mid-game coordination. Insofar as the point of being a mason is the ability to secretly communicate, you basically render the role weaker by allowing, and thus requiring post RC, quotation of exchanged messages.
3) Can you modquote via NB during a game?
No. Not only have masons often had DFs in them, but roles may appear as well and understandably not trust their colleague. Similiarly, we will eventually have a game featuring a traitor DF. Both situations would be severely compromised if rules permitted this, since they would have to comply, where as a ban allows them to legitimately say "No, that's against the rules" if asked for it. THeir allies could not press the point if they did suspect a traitor, since they'd have to fear being reported to the mod by a player who if such suspicions were warranted would have every motive to report them and have them modkilled.
4) Can you NB-quote players after a game?
Yes. This has already been done and it can not interrupt the game in which it occured by defintion. In terms of effecting gameplay, there really is none. However players should not expect anyone to feel obliged to comply with requests for such NBs nor assume they are under any compulsion to give them or give all of them. If X said "Y always used the words 'From my perspective' when lying" they may want to keep this a secret for strategic reasons, and obviously should mention as much to their allies henceforth. Common courtesy should prevent any harsh or demeaning commetns about toher players or mods in message, and similiarly should remind other players to remove those statements made by allies prior to posting it for all to see, however, it can not go back in time and effect the game in play, thus is not legitimately something we can ban.
All right, that's my opinions on the matter, I will submit my 'true opinion' to Gher via NB, but you may safely assume it will be this same message. Does anyone see a flaw in this logic or additional downsides I haven't covered?
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 is over.
- 08/02/2010 06:53:53 PM
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Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion
- 08/02/2010 08:53:49 PM
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Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion
- 08/02/2010 09:28:57 PM
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Hey, by the way, are you Mafia?
- 08/02/2010 09:34:46 PM
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I am not Hopper
- 08/02/2010 10:37:55 PM
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- 08/02/2010 10:37:55 PM
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Maybe I am AWESOME
- 08/02/2010 11:19:48 PM
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A few questions and comments
- 08/02/2010 09:29:06 PM
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Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion
- 09/02/2010 02:47:03 AM
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RBIRL ... test tomorrow. Probably not going to post tonight. *NM*
- 09/02/2010 12:03:38 AM
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You know what?
- 09/02/2010 01:17:52 AM
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Re: You know what?
- 09/02/2010 01:34:42 AM
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Heh, inorganic chemistry.
- 09/02/2010 01:57:39 AM
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Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry.
- 09/02/2010 02:38:45 AM
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Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry.
- 09/02/2010 03:29:32 AM
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Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry.
- 09/02/2010 03:36:28 AM
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Well thanks for the encouragement.
- 09/02/2010 04:14:50 AM
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- 09/02/2010 04:14:50 AM
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Heh, Mafia: Other than the occasional lynching or assassination, we're one big supportive family.
- 09/02/2010 04:24:26 AM
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Hypocop (Table)
- 09/02/2010 12:59:06 AM
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I investigated Fox and Ravens and found hi to be for the shadow. *NM*
- 09/02/2010 04:46:50 AM
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Hmmm,
- 09/02/2010 06:18:29 AM
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We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles?
- 09/02/2010 06:35:05 AM
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Re: We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles?
- 09/02/2010 07:16:19 AM
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Huh. Oh boy oh
- 09/02/2010 06:39:15 AM
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Care to give us your thoughts? *NM*
- 09/02/2010 07:26:09 AM
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Well, losing Doc and Deputy same night is bound to cause trouble. Especially losing Doc. *NM*
- 09/02/2010 08:54:49 AM
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I want to throw this out here.
- 09/02/2010 07:21:04 AM
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What changed your mind? *NM*
- 09/02/2010 08:58:09 AM
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Well, I realized I was the one telling everyone to just vote for someone.
- 09/02/2010 04:56:17 PM
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Why is everyone assuming we have a SK?
- 10/02/2010 12:09:47 AM
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What tips me off is the "melted plastic".
- 10/02/2010 12:22:56 AM
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That's so arbitrary, though.
- 10/02/2010 12:57:09 AM
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EBWOP: It's probably not a vigilante.
- 10/02/2010 01:05:57 AM
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That seems like good reasoning
- 10/02/2010 01:50:47 AM
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Re: That seems like good reasoning
- 10/02/2010 01:58:14 AM
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That's a vig rule? I did not know that
- 10/02/2010 08:16:56 PM
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Well, it's pretty common sense.
- 10/02/2010 09:09:09 PM
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I think he might have been referring to vigilante kills being blockable
- 10/02/2010 09:43:53 PM
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As the resident expert on vigilantism
- 10/02/2010 08:04:17 PM
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Youre the resident expert on vigilantism? *NM*
- 11/02/2010 11:06:24 PM
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He was a vig once or twice. *NM*
- 12/02/2010 01:33:57 AM
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Wait, haven't you proposed an arsonist most games. *NM*
- 10/02/2010 04:37:33 AM
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Because we have a SK *NM*
- 10/02/2010 05:14:00 AM
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wait a minute
- 10/02/2010 01:15:32 PM
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Another thing
- 10/02/2010 04:42:50 PM
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F-T, I assume
- 10/02/2010 05:08:58 PM
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Probably, might be a hint at an RB but I doubt it *NM*
- 10/02/2010 06:57:01 PM
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I don't think it could be a RB
- 10/02/2010 07:47:55 PM
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We're stalling out a bit
- 11/02/2010 10:05:09 PM
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We could talk about my heroic failure to defend the innocent some more? Fine...
- 12/02/2010 07:12:51 AM
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You seem engaged in a very active defense so far this game
- 12/02/2010 09:40:23 PM
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Yawn...
- 12/02/2010 11:28:50 PM
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Re: Yawn...
- 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM
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Re: Yawn...
- 13/02/2010 01:31:41 AM
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He's brought up accusations on himself
- 13/02/2010 02:40:01 AM
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Alrighty, let's try this again.
- 14/02/2010 06:38:26 AM
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On F-T's accusations against you.
- 14/02/2010 01:54:20 AM
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Re: On F-T's accusations against you.
- 14/02/2010 03:43:52 AM
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That's right, I am the Breaker of Unbroken Records
- 14/02/2010 05:56:52 AM
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- 14/02/2010 05:56:52 AM
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Actually, quite few of my streaks were broken on that one
- 14/02/2010 08:43:09 AM
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I'm in second? Woo!
- 14/02/2010 02:46:05 PM
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Yep, welcome to being a lightning rod
- 14/02/2010 09:10:43 PM
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- 14/02/2010 09:10:43 PM
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I'm not gonna be as targeted as you; I've died a LOT.
- 14/02/2010 11:17:24 PM
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Ironically I don't think I've ever killed you
- 14/02/2010 11:56:03 PM
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Game 1 I remember.
- 15/02/2010 12:01:21 AM
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Re: Game 1 I remember.
- 15/02/2010 12:19:30 AM
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Three stalled out over the winter holidays and we had to restart.
- 15/02/2010 01:26:59 AM
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Actually...
- 15/02/2010 04:57:50 PM
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A second line of thought: ranagrande
- 12/02/2010 07:40:37 AM
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Vote: Hieshyn
- 15/02/2010 03:27:04 AM
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Re: Hieshyn
- 15/02/2010 12:54:42 PM
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Well, it's less that discussion is winding down, and more that we don't have any new topics
- 15/02/2010 05:48:22 PM
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Well this was unexpected.
- 15/02/2010 06:07:44 PM
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Re: Well this was unexpected.
- 15/02/2010 08:30:57 PM
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I think he's saying that he's been quiet because he's busy, not a DF
- 15/02/2010 08:39:53 PM
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If he was the SK
- 15/02/2010 07:55:38 PM
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Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession.
- 15/02/2010 08:53:03 PM
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Oh that's right!
- 15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM
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Re: Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession.
- 15/02/2010 11:54:44 PM
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Lol irony
- 16/02/2010 12:16:49 AM
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So, it's just because he hasn't been talking much? That fits a lot of people
- 15/02/2010 09:31:02 PM
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OK, I'm glad that vote got some discussion flowing.
- 16/02/2010 02:58:55 AM
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Ooo sneaky sneaky
- 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM
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Re: Ooo sneaky sneaky
- 16/02/2010 04:25:26 AM
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You know doing this sort of thing can get you lynched
- 16/02/2010 04:40:23 AM
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Oh, I know it can.
- 16/02/2010 05:23:13 AM
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Re: Oh, I know it can.
- 16/02/2010 07:00:53 AM
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It's weird- I've never played Live Mafia, but I imagine it's very different.
- 16/02/2010 08:58:09 AM
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I'm still here, I've been busy with studying, and hadn't realized I was gone this long.
- 16/02/2010 06:50:44 AM
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Sorry all. Friday thru Monday suddenly got really hectic, I wasn't home much at all.
- 18/02/2010 01:54:02 AM
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So, where are we at?
- 18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM
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EBWOP: Issac's maybe only a 5.5. No, a 5.7
- 18/02/2010 06:58:40 AM
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OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself
- 18/02/2010 07:08:36 AM
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Re: OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself
- 18/02/2010 07:54:05 AM
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Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything
- 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM
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Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off.
- 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM
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You seem to have misunbderstood my question
- 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM
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Re: You seem to have misunbderstood my question
- 18/02/2010 05:10:14 PM
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Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2
- 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM
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Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2
- 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM
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Thanks, all right let's review it
- 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM
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Alright then.
- 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM
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EBWOP
- 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM
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Re: EBWOP
- 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM
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Naive?
- 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM
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Naive or sinister, take your pick
- 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM
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We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like
- 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM
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Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game...
- 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM
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Re: Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game...
- 19/02/2010 08:40:47 PM
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Re: EBWOP
- 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM
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Re: EBWOP
- 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM
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Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN!
- 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM
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Hey.
- 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM
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Re: Hey.
- 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM
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FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF
- 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM
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Don't put words in my mouth.
- 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM
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Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM*
- 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM
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But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM*
- 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM
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fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts?
- 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM
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I think that
- 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM
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Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions...
- 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM
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All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you?
- 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM
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Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you?
- 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM
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Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you?
- 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM
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I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence.
- 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM
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Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going
- 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM
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In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll)
- 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM
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Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll)
- 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM
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Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no
- 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM
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After seeing this thread....
- 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM
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Go ahead and start one then.
- 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM
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Re: Go ahead and start one then.
- 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM
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Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere?
- 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM
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Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere?
- 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM
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Alright.
- 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM
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Thanks
- 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM
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Re: Thanks
- 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM
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Ranagrande *NM*
- 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM
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Really?
- 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM
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Re: Thanks
- 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM
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Well, you kind of said it yourself.
- 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM
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I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande
- 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM
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Not sure I follow
- 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM
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Items of note from my NB archive:
- 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM
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I am kind of confused about what you're doing here.
- 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM
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I'm feeling the same thing.
- 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM
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I hadn't even seen Beet's post at the bottom there until after I'd posted this.
- 22/02/2010 07:44:49 PM
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Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2
- 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM
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Alright. Here's a quick synposis
- 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM
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That sounds about right to me.
- 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM
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I'll try to, I just may not have the time to. If I do, I'll definately read them all. *NM*
- 23/02/2010 07:05:24 AM
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Another minor piece against ranagrande
- 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM
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Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande
- 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM
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Fair enough
- 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM
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Re: Fair enough
- 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM
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Maybe I missed it....
- 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM
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Re: Maybe I missed it....
- 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM
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I will destroy the world
- 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM
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And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM*
- 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM
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Ok, that's totally different...
- 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM
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All that's different is the presumed final intent.
- 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM
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Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM*
- 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM
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Yea.... beet's looking worse and worse every time he opens his mouth, so to speak. *NM*
- 24/02/2010 09:00:47 PM
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No, this is my view:
- 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM
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And my view was:
- 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM
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shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know
- 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM
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Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM*
- 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM
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Can I ask why?
- 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM
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We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn
- 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM
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You're right, Isaac.
- 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM
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Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM*
- 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM
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I'll agree. Beet has been suspicious, and we havent found enough with ranagrande to continue *NM*
- 26/02/2010 02:00:36 AM
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At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap
- 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM
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RBIRL. Had a lot of school stuff, gone for the weekend. Sorry. *NM*
- 27/02/2010 01:05:40 AM
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Sorry I've been insanely busy.
- 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM
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This seems a lot like an OMGUS.
- 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM
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Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy.
- 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM
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Okay, let's try to finish off today
- 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM
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Interesting.
- 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM
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I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it
- 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM
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Vote: ranagrande
- 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM
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What, if anything, has changed?
- 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM
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Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM*
- 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM
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A little joke
- 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM
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Yikes (warning: lots of text)
- 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM
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Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis
- 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM
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my stance on voting
- 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM
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Re: my stance on voting
- 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM
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Perhaps a deadline would liven things up?
- 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM
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I hope you all feel really guilty about this
- 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM
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Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days
- 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM
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..I can and HAVE rebutted these.
- 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM
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EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right.
- 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM
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I'm sorry, I am not convinced
- 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM
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I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok...
- 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM
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All right, let's look at this
- 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM
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I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely.
- 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM
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At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case
- 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM
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You brought this upon yourself.
- 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM
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Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No'
- 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM
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Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay
- 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM
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I think that's everyone.
- 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM
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Well, Beet already hammered.
- 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM
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Beetnemesis has been lynched
- 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM
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Sorry Beet!
*NM*
- 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM
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*NM*
- 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM
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You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM*
- 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM
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Yo, what did I do to you? *NM*
- 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM
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I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED!
- 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM
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