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That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM
Let's face it, when we first saw Siuan she was awe inspiring. She was the personification of the ultimate Aes Sedai, and the most powerful person in the world before the arrival of Rand al Thor.

What struck me as totally counter productive and unbelievable, was how Siuan almost instantly lost all the respect of the Aes Sedai once she arrived in Salidar, post stilling.

I compare this to a situation where Abraham Lincoln suddenly appears in front of the US congress, having miraculously been revived from a 150 year magical stasis, only to be scoffed at and treated with disdain by the members of Congress.[/quote]
This is a ridiculous analogy. Siuan entering Salidar was not legendary politician whose mistakes have been erased by history and whose legacy is set in popular imagination.
Her mistakes were very much alive in the minds of these people.

More critically, a lot of the loss of respect is because Siuan can no longer channel. It is stupid, but makes complete sense given the mentality of the Aes Sedai. It was totally unsurprising and within character.
You'd think that the Amyrlin had a personality that dwarfed that of normal Aes Sedai, but RJ totally destroyed that idea in his portrayal of Siuan after her stilling.

Well, she did have such a personality, but exercising it to the fullest extent needed her to have her channeling, her strength compared to other AS as well as her office.
She couldn't walk in a gentled refugee and start showing that she can still take command. That was the whole point of calling the chapter "The Practice of Diffidence".
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5534 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1406 Views
yeah, but then again ... - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 1163 Views
That's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1369 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1261 Views
He raised other issues too - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1251 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1256 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 1120 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 1133 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 608 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 627 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1250 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 1199 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 1178 Views
Both wonderful characters... - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 1068 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1282 Views
"They"? - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1187 Views
Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1359 Views
Re: Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1207 Views
Re: Good point ... - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1379 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1202 Views
Re: "They"? - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1268 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1207 Views
I don't know if I agree with this - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1247 Views
The thing is ... - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 1164 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 979 Views
I totally unagree... - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1459 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 1149 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 1097 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 1177 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1164 Views
I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 1134 Views
Re: I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1244 Views
I hope so, as well. - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 1167 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1923 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1196 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1167 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 1054 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 670 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 614 Views
The Reds aren't petty - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 1037 Views
Are you kidding? - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1204 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1183 Views
There is none. - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 1169 Views
Uhhh? - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 1066 Views
... - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1225 Views
Re: ... - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 1138 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 1165 Views
*sigh* - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1220 Views
So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 1094 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 1119 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1208 Views
So, Tsutama... - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1286 Views
Ugh. - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 1029 Views
WTF? - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 1089 Views
F-T is right - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1196 Views
On the minority thing... - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1178 Views
That's exactly the problem. - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 1025 Views
There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 1032 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 1145 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1181 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 987 Views
why so pissy? - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 1166 Views
Sorry. - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 1095 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 981 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1244 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 1002 Views
Interesting. - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 1108 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 1111 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 1037 Views
LOL - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 1065 Views
... - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1241 Views
There may be one explanation... - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 1073 Views
That doesn't make sense. - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1217 Views
it was about more than just male channelers - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1283 Views
Yes, that's true. - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1248 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 1140 Views
That's also true. - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 1101 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 1094 Views
Why are they lumped together? - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1393 Views
for practical purposes - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 1068 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 1104 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1256 Views
No, I don't think so - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 1029 Views
Let's just say we disagree. - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 1156 Views
Bah! - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 1116 Views
Pfft - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 1145 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 997 Views

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