I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM
I mean, it's technically possible that this would happen in future books, but after Egwene goes for her whole 'Healer of Division' routine and nobody in the White Tower had the minimum necessary intellect to bring this up - including the Reds and Elaida - I have very little confidence in this ever being brought up again.
Maybe the Reds, in general, don't want to bring it up because they are worried Siuan will drag out stuff about what they did during the vileness.
During Egwene's debate with Elaida, for example, this was not brought up because Elaida was probably worried that Egwene would bring up the vileness, and she doesn't want the Sitters to remember that now, does she?
Also, the few names we heard from Logain are likely Blacks. For all we know, a few Black-Reds did indeed encourage Logain on orders from the Supreme Council, and people like Pevara just did not know.
The vileness was about killing male channelers on the spot, as far as I recall, not supporting them. But either way, Egwene has already been spreading slanderous accusations against Elaida, why would she fear breaking the holy persona Egwene was building for herself, if the only repercussions would be more of the same? Egwene was the one in danger here - her entire position was built on 'this division of the Tower is an evil thing, I intend to heal it', launching such an accusation, targeted directly at the Reds would reveal her to be just another power-hungry woman ready to turn against fellow Sisters just to get ahead. Her entire platform would have been ruined. Elaida has nothing to lose.
Though to be frank, I don't expect Elaida to have thought this carefully through. She was visibly enraged and acting thoughtlessly, she would not have considered the advantages I've shown any more than she would have considered the possibilities you brought up. She should have just shouted the accusations at Egwene or something.
As for you suggesting the lies are true, you're just grasping at straws. Fabrications are not true until proven false, and there is absolutely nothing to indicate that this is true. Only those deceived by Logain and Siuan ever think of it as true, and that's precisely because they are deceived.
Even if it were true that changes nothing! Elaida is not a Darkfriend, nor are most of the Reds in the Tower.
2 (or 3) Amyrlins and about a dozen senior Sisters (at the least) also died in rapid succession ... and not all killed by the Black ... Chesmal convinced Reds to kill Sieren when she thought she was going to be caught as BA. The vileness went much deeper than a few male channelers being Gentled without trial!
in killing an Amyrlin. Certainly the vast majority of them (meaning all not involved) would be as incensed over this as Pevara was over Siuan's lies. Remember that the true extent of the vileness was Sealed to the Flame.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif
09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM
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The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition...
09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM
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That's total nonsense...
10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM
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No, THAT's total nonsense...
10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM
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You seem to deal in bad analogies...
10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM
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You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable.
10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM
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Hello Pot. I'm Kettle.
10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM
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Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM*
11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM
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Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM*
12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM
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Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM*
17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM
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All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office!
12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM
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Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition...
12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM
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Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition...
12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM
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They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ...
10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM
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"They"?
10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM
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Good point ...
10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM
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I don't know if I agree with this
11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM
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I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character
10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM
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She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine
10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM
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The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning
11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM
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This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored
11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM
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I don't really agree
11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM
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I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line
11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM
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I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds.
12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM
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In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it
12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM
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Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this.
12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM
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Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM*
12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM
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Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM*
12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM
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The Reds aren't petty
12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM
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Are you kidding?
12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM
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Unless of course there is truth to it
17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM
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There is none.
17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM
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Uhhh?
17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM
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...
17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM
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Re: ...
18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM
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Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT]
18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM
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*sigh*
18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM
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So, you're not kidding.
18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM
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Re: So, you're not kidding.
18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM
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Re: So, you're not kidding.
19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM
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On the minority thing...
18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM
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That's exactly the problem.
18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM
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Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red?
18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM
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Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist.
18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM
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why so pissy?
19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM
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Sorry.
20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM
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Re: Sorry.
20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM
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Re: Sorry.
20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM
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Re: Sorry.
20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM
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Interesting.
20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM
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Re: Interesting.
21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM
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No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM*
20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM
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There may be one explanation...
13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM
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That doesn't make sense.
13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM
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it was about more than just male channelers
18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM
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Yes, that's true.
18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM
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I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement
20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM
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That's also true.
20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM
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Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue
20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM
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AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge.
12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM
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No, I don't think so
13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM
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