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The thing is ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM
Certainly they resent how it was handled, but over and over we hear from them that Elaida did not follow the spirit of the Law and that Siuan would have been able counter Elaida's accusations had a real trial been held. Seems to me that the rebellion was calling into question the legality of Siuan being deposed rather than showing actual support of Siuan herself (as evidenced by her treatment even after being healed).


I don't disagree with that, but I think it's largely beside the point, with respect to whether Siuan thought that deposing & stilling were legitmate punishments for her actions. Fionwe summarized a quote from TGH in one of his responses to me - here it is, as he stated it:

In tGH, Siuan says Leanne may call for her stilling if she comes to know, and she wouldn't be wrong. To which Moiraine replies that Leanne would follow her to Shayol Ghul.

We see there that Siuan thinks Leane wouldn't be wrong to call for her stilling, so she clearly believed that it would be a just punishment for her actions. The fact that she thought she might have been able to wiggle out from such a punishment had her situation been dealt with more in accordance with Tower custom/law doesn't change that fact, I think (it just gave rise to the rebellion, which is a different issue).

That's how I look at it, anyway.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

-BHT&tM
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5570 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1430 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 1183 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1394 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1280 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1268 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1290 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 1146 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 1162 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 618 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 636 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 570 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1283 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1359 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 1227 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 1302 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 1169 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 1202 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 1107 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1308 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1228 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1383 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1235 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1420 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1231 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1290 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1237 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1278 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 1193 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 1007 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1481 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 1172 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 1137 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 1201 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1190 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 1153 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 1169 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1260 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 1193 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1946 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1223 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1189 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 1075 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 683 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 626 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 1057 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1228 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1204 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 1196 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 1091 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1252 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 1159 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 1197 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1246 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 1120 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 1158 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1229 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1314 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 1046 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 1109 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1217 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1204 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 1070 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 1050 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 1193 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1211 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 1009 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 1188 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 1117 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 1009 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1280 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 1032 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 1137 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 1138 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 1058 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 1101 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1287 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 716 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 1097 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1259 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1323 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1288 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 1176 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 1126 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 1124 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1416 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 1087 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 1124 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1284 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 1050 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 1178 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 1140 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 1176 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 1015 Views
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