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Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius Send a noteboard - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM

What have you got on these two ladies?

Do you like them? Do they deserve what happened to them, or did they make the best of a bad situation?

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Generally like them. Siuan a bit more than Leane because she has a more important supporting role in the overall plot. Of the three mentor AS characters (Moiraine, Cadsuane, and Siuan), she's probably my favorite.

Siuan knew she had a good chance of getting stilled, and she was even willing to accept it, but she really did get shafted by events. Being too secretive and controlling didn't help. However, she had damn good reason to be secretive, she knew the BA was active, she knew they were a threat to the DR, and she knew that they had taken out Tamra Ospenya and likely Tamra's searchers.

It didn't help that Rand proved to be far more difficult to handle than anticipated. Moiraine messed things up in the beginning by making Rand suspicious of her, and Ishy was more than happy to muddy the waters further. So Rand got into the position where he didn't trust the AS and feared they were trying to use him. As a powerful ta'veren,, he was even more difficult to control.

Of course the real problem was the Elaida didn't take down Siuan because it was the right thing to do, because Siuan broke the rules, didn't consult the Hall properly, because she was a bully or any of that. She did it because she didn't like Siuan, and because the Red Ajah was still looking holding a grudge against the Blue over Bonwhin. Even worse, Elaida was being used by the BA to sow chaos within the WT itself; the whole Red-Blue conflict was an excellent opportunity for them to exploit and they did so on both sides. So what happened to Siuan was not a matter of WT justice, it was a combination of Red thickheadedness and plotting by the followers of the DO.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5610 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1466 Views
yeah, but then again ... - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 1213 Views
That's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1430 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1305 Views
He raised other issues too - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1296 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1320 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 1172 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 1187 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 631 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 655 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1326 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 1258 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 1234 Views
Both wonderful characters... - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 1128 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1335 Views
"They"? - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1256 Views
Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1415 Views
Re: Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1263 Views
Re: Good point ... - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1452 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1266 Views
Re: "They"? - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1324 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1267 Views
I don't know if I agree with this - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1312 Views
The thing is ... - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 1230 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 1039 Views
I totally unagree... - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1507 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 1198 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 1193 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 1229 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1216 Views
I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 1180 Views
Re: I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1294 Views
I hope so, as well. - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 1218 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1984 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1253 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1218 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 1099 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 705 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 644 Views
The Reds aren't petty - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 1080 Views
Are you kidding? - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1255 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1240 Views
There is none. - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 1223 Views
Uhhh? - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 1121 Views
... - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1278 Views
Re: ... - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 1190 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 1241 Views
*sigh* - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1277 Views
So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 1146 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 1200 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1259 Views
So, Tsutama... - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1351 Views
Ugh. - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 1077 Views
WTF? - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 1140 Views
F-T is right - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1238 Views
On the minority thing... - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1229 Views
That's exactly the problem. - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 1098 Views
There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 1072 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 1222 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1238 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 1032 Views
why so pissy? - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 1223 Views
Sorry. - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 1143 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 1044 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1306 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 1060 Views
Interesting. - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 1166 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 1163 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 1084 Views
LOL - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 1152 Views
... - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1327 Views
There may be one explanation... - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 1124 Views
That doesn't make sense. - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1285 Views
it was about more than just male channelers - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1361 Views
Yes, that's true. - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1324 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 1212 Views
That's also true. - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 1153 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 1162 Views
Why are they lumped together? - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1446 Views
for practical purposes - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 1113 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 1154 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1313 Views
No, I don't think so - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 1080 Views
Let's just say we disagree. - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 1202 Views
Bah! - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 1167 Views
Pfft - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 1212 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 1042 Views

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