... and I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist.
Incidentally, do you have any quotes supporting that fact that the Green Ajah never supported False Dragons? Or the Blues? Or the Whites? Or any of them?
How about Tam al'Thor? Do you have any quotes that prove that he never supported False Dragons?
Or Morgase? Basel Gill?
Seriously, learn about burden of proof.
Given that this plot was revealed by a Black Sister magically Oathbound not to betray the Shadow's secrets until the hour of her death, it seems evident that there wasn't any such plan. Plus, given that the plan was to impersonate Rand (the real Dragon Reborn) I fail to see how that would have been of any value in previous circumstances.
Incidentally, do you have any quotes supporting that fact that the Green Ajah never supported False Dragons? Or the Blues? Or the Whites? Or any of them?
How about Tam al'Thor? Do you have any quotes that prove that he never supported False Dragons?
Or Morgase? Basel Gill?
Seriously, learn about burden of proof.
As I recall there was a supposed plot for Black Sisters to help Taim escape and make him a terror on the world ... given that there would be a 100% chance of a Red in any group of Sisters sent after a FD and the fact that a much larger proportion of Reds are Blacks and that the woman likely to pick the Red who would lead the expedition was Black (Galina) it's pretty easy to conclude that some Reds have been involved with raising FD in the past.
Given that this plot was revealed by a Black Sister magically Oathbound not to betray the Shadow's secrets until the hour of her death, it seems evident that there wasn't any such plan. Plus, given that the plan was to impersonate Rand (the real Dragon Reborn) I fail to see how that would have been of any value in previous circumstances.
You asked/pondered/complained (whatever) about why the Reds didn't make a bigger deal out of Siuan's lies ... the rest of us are simply throwing out some plausible scenarios as to why Reds would keep quiet about it ... I asked for the quote because I'm wondering if I missed something along the way. A quote from someone that eliminated any possibility that no Red Sister in history could have ever been involved with any FD.
My scenario is based on an assumption that various Reds may have simply been unsure enough of the truth to voice complaint. Perhaps Pevaara and/or Jahvindrah will call it into question when they return (if they return) since Pevaara clearly thinks it's a lie and Jahvindrah was actually accused as the ring leader. Assuming she's not Black she could even say straight out that she had nothing to do with Logain.
I don't think it's as plausible that a non-Red would do such a thing since it would ultimately set up the Red for glory and none of the others would want that! But it's not impossible given the potential for personal glory if you are the one who captures him in the end. There is circumstantial evidence that a Red (or a Black-Red at least) would in fact do this ... as evidenced by how easily the Rebels believed the Logain scenario ... obviously not the first time AS had thoughts like these pass through their minds.
Let's analyze why Siuan would have picked this particular story to begin with and why the other Rebels would accept it ...
1. It's easy enough to believe. If this concept was so hard to accept Siuan would have taken another approach. She knows that the other Sisters will only accept that she believes Logain's story as truth since they all know that loophole in the Oath.
2. Reds character. Most other AS look askance at the Red since many of the Reds seem rather bitter and are almost universally stand-offish with non-Reds.
3. Siuan and Logain even used a Sitter and the new Amrylin as key players in their story, which must have been plausible since even other Sitters bought the story with no proof other than Siuan's word.
4. The Vileness. The events of the last 20 years make this story that much more believable to any of the Sitters in the Rebel camp. Any of the women who were around back then would know the real reason Tsutama and the other two Red Sitters went into exile back in those days and it's not that big of a leap to see this as an escalation from Gentling men on the spot to setting up a FD for more glory.
Seems to me that if Siuan anticipated a hard sell, she would have found another more plausible story to come up with ... perhaps something like Elaida is Black Ajah or perhpas accuse her of covering up something she caused in Andor during her days there.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif
09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM
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The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition...
09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM
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That's total nonsense...
10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM
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No, THAT's total nonsense...
10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM
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You seem to deal in bad analogies...
10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM
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You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable.
10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM
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Hello Pot. I'm Kettle.
10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM
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Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM*
11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM
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Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM*
12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM
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Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM*
17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM
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All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office!
12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM
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Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition...
12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM
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Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition...
12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM
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They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ...
10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM
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"They"?
10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM
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Good point ...
10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM
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I don't know if I agree with this
11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM
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I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character
10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM
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She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine
10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM
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The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning
11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM
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This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored
11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM
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I don't really agree
11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM
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I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line
11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM
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I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds.
12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM
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In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it
12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM
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Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this.
12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM
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Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM*
12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM
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Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM*
12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM
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The Reds aren't petty
12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM
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Are you kidding?
12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM
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Unless of course there is truth to it
17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM
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There is none.
17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM
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Uhhh?
17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM
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...
17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM
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Re: ...
18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM
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Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT]
18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM
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*sigh*
18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM
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So, you're not kidding.
18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM
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Re: So, you're not kidding.
18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM
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Re: So, you're not kidding.
19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM
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On the minority thing...
18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM
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That's exactly the problem.
18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM
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Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red?
18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM
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Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist.
18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM
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why so pissy?
19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM
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Sorry.
20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM
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Re: Sorry.
20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM
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Re: Sorry.
20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM
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Re: Sorry.
20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM
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Interesting.
20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM
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Re: Interesting.
21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM
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No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM*
20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM
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There may be one explanation...
13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM
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That doesn't make sense.
13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM
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it was about more than just male channelers
18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM
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Yes, that's true.
18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM
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I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement
20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM
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That's also true.
20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM
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Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue
20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM
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AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge.
12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM
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No, I don't think so
13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM
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