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The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM
IMO she actually made very few real mistakes, but she was walking a very thin line and it didn't take much to topple her, and Leanne got sucked in for the ride.

Siuan's main errors (IMO):

1. Secrecy, despite her fears of the BA she needed to tell the Hall something about the DR.

2. Arrogance, even knowing how tenuous her situation was she still ignored Min's viewing and changed nothing of her behavior and took no precautions.

3. Web of AS lies, like Moghedien Siuan got caught in her own web of deviousness ... had she not forced BA Hunting on the girls Elaida wouldn't have been sent packing from Caemlyn for reasons she could lay on Siuan. Couple that with her keeping Min around to "read" people and openly manipulating Gawyn and Galad in regards to Elayne's vanishing and you have a recipe for disaster.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5246 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1209 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 962 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1205 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1082 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1080 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1086 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 949 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 962 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 523 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 540 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 474 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1038 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1161 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 994 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 1021 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 991 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 994 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 914 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1121 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1021 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1162 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1042 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1203 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1035 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1083 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1048 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1055 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 988 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 821 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1291 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 969 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 925 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 988 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1013 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 955 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 936 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1058 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 996 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1342 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1011 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1007 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 886 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 588 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 532 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 870 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 998 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1000 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 990 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 902 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1033 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 973 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 967 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1030 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 917 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 956 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1040 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1108 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 860 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 929 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1030 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1006 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 859 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 863 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 968 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1001 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 824 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 995 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 922 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 817 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1030 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 839 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 923 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 949 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 877 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 884 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1073 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 627 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 900 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1033 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1046 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1036 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 930 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 920 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 918 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1202 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 901 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 925 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1042 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 865 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 985 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 951 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 957 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 805 Views
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