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I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM
Slayer stalking people. He also appears at many different locations in all over the Westlands using TAR to travel. If he had the general order to look for Asmo, he might simply have had the luck/opportunity to find him in the almost empty Caemlyn palace (as said, a location Luc certainly knows very well) Maybe he was also in contact with Rahvin before, or was searching for Fain in Caemlyn.

Slayer mentions killing AS as something he especially likes, because he hates AS so much.

We know from RJ that all Forsaken know Slayer and vice versa, which only makes sense if he is a Top assassin of the Shadow, and that is what matters:
"Kura: Just one other question. Does Slayer know every Forsaken?
RJ: Yeah, he does.
Kura: Have all the Forsaken heard of Slayer?
RJ: Yes, they've heard of him. Slayer is not old in the way they are. Slayer does not come from the Age of Legends, Slayer is something much newer. Slayer is also known by all Forsaken."

Plus:
"Emma: Did Slayer meet Asmodean before he was killed?
RJ: No.. am, no. Not in the books."

That leaves open the possibility that they met off-screen.

Finally:
"Me: Did Slayer take Asmodean to Tel'aran'rhiod before, or after he killed him?
He and some other people started laughing, he thought a little and answered with a smile:
RJ: What makes you think Asmodean is dead?
I laughed and he continued:
RJ: Yeah, you screw with my head, I screw with yours...(that's actually what he said.)
So incidentally I made Jordan laugh and swear, but not answer the question."

That leaves open the possibility that Slayer took Asmo to TAR.


Slayer MAY have met Asmo, off screen, could have been ordered by one of the Forsaken to kill Asmo, and just happened to be in Caemlyn on unrelated business on the day that Asmo happened to show up when he should have been in Cairhien if he was really stalking Asmo ... we've never seen Slayer show any ability to travel such great distance in TAR and he outright states he is more limited there than the Chosen.

As for killing the AS ... read the passage my friend he states outright:

That had been Isam, not him, but the memories were none the less prized for that. Neither of them got to kill an Aes Sedai very often.

No mention of his hatred of AS, only that it was prized because it was rare! No mention of some hatred of AS or some reason an AS would be a more prized memory than killing a Chosen!

And then there is the question of Asmo's body ... we know Slayer doesn't use Gateways to enter TAR ... and we've never seen him bring something bigger than personal equipment with him when her enters/exits... so now we're assuming that Slayer also can bring someone with him?

Graendal is much more simple ... she's been in cahoots with Rahvin (along with others), Sammael continually bugs her for information, she doesn't like to use DF networks when she can find her own "more reliable" spies ... she obviously has people around Rand already and with him jumping to Caemlyn she'd want a new crop to keep an eye on him.

The longer this debate goes on the less likely I find Slayer as the killer! I'm certainly not 100% positive Graendal did it, but I'm now less sure that Slayer is even a viable candidate!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2732 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1441 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 775 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1241 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1174 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 1105 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 703 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 681 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1246 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1552 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 800 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1234 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1351 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1195 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1223 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1280 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1330 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1196 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1151 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1133 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1162 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1275 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1228 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1173 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1283 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 1072 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 1050 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 1031 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1380 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1231 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1317 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1321 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 726 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1169 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1240 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1235 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1162 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1218 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1180 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1170 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1190 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1348 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1240 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1232 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1151 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1257 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1301 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1375 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1161 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1262 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1136 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1213 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1230 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 1069 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1199 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 1071 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1096 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1175 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1263 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1112 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 1102 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1261 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1193 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 610 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1215 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1198 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1215 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1114 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1185 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1208 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1238 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1120 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1185 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1189 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1153 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1185 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 954 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1104 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 1087 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 1121 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 1102 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 918 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1185 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1293 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 736 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 999 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1197 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1429 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 913 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1338 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1127 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1129 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1109 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1136 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 1063 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 690 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 743 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1187 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 1140 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 692 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1204 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 787 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 1127 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1154 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1132 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1160 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1224 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1218 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1190 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 1012 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 1017 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 1079 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 1044 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 1069 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 1031 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 726 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 975 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 981 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1116 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1271 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1149 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 1069 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1179 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1184 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1105 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 1069 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1116 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1086 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1166 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1239 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1146 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 1078 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 723 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 982 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 588 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 779 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1150 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1138 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1099 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1098 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 752 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1212 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 1084 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1099 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1145 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1087 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1201 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1151 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1197 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1176 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1241 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1120 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 1103 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1165 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1210 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1177 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1246 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1256 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 1005 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1092 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 1060 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1204 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1129 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1132 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 1059 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1107 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1191 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1549 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1118 Views
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