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so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM
That doesn't mean that the evil guys aren't deadly.

When Asmo opens the door, he obviously doesn't already see his killer. He needs to take one step into the room/corridor, and then suddenly he is confronted by his killer. This indicates an appearance out of thin air.

If Slayer had the general order to kill Asmo, because a Forsaken wanted Asmo dead, and by chance Slayer found Asmo in the empty palace, he took this super opportunity & finished him.


a Gray man and a couple of shielded AS ... ooooh deadly!

You need to read the text

TFoH
Glowing Embers

He pulled open a small door, intending to find his way to the pantry. There should be some decent wine. One step, and he stopped, the blood draining from his face.

"You? No!" The word still hung in the air when death took him.

He opened the door and stepped into the room. There is no pause there is no sudden appearance by someone who wasn't already there! The person was already in the room.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2712 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1420 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 769 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1223 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1155 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 1086 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 693 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 670 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1227 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1535 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 794 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1216 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1328 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1178 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1207 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1258 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1307 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1175 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1136 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1117 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1140 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1254 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1210 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1153 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1265 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 1052 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 1030 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 1008 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1361 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1207 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1294 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1298 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 718 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1149 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1224 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1214 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1145 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1197 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1158 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1147 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1169 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1325 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1222 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1213 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1137 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1235 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1281 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1350 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1142 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1244 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1112 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1198 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1206 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 1051 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1178 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 1053 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1085 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1155 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1243 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1092 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 1079 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1246 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1175 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 604 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1196 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1174 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1198 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1092 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1162 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1181 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1214 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1098 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1162 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1174 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1133 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1165 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 937 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1088 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 1063 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 1105 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 1085 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 904 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1164 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1277 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 730 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 983 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1180 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1413 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 891 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1309 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1111 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1110 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1091 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1116 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 1050 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 682 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 735 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1163 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 1118 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 686 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1189 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 779 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 1089 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1136 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1111 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1142 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1207 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1206 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1169 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 996 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 995 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 1058 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 1021 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 1055 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 1009 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 720 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 959 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 963 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1091 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1222 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1128 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 1050 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1160 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1165 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1089 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 1041 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1099 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1069 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1145 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1211 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1126 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 1062 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 714 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 964 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 580 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 770 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1130 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1123 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1082 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1080 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 742 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1190 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 1058 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1079 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1129 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1073 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1180 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1128 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1148 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1156 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1225 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1104 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 1079 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1149 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1193 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1159 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1224 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1232 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 984 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1072 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 1037 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1187 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1116 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1110 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 1037 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1090 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1166 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1534 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1099 Views
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