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In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM
it doesn't seem like SH is actually a "doing" sort of creature. It gives orders and tells people information, but it hasn't actually killed anyone (IIRC). SH has hurt a DF Whitecloak and punished DF Mesaana, but that's it. So I think that SH really only deals with/harms creatures of the Dark, and *helps* to destroy the Light. I'm pretty sure that Elza was the one who knocked out or killed the AS guarding Rand, the Bands, and the CK.
The best support for my idea here is that SH could've taken or booby-trapped the CK, to the Shadow's great advantage.
Still, if all the "rules" and "restrictions" about SH and the mystery of Asmo's death didn't apply (read: if we were just going by the books), I'd think SH is a great candidate.
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2672 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1400 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 756 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1199 Views
It's not really obvious... - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1139 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 1057 Views
Far-fetched, IMO - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1508 Views
very well said *NM* - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 782 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1190 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1299 Views
Bah, hogwash! - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1159 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1186 Views
The point is... - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1234 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1283 Views
As is Slayer - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1145 Views
There is no evidence of this at all - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1112 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1096 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1110 Views
I disagree. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1223 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1179 Views
I think this is your interpretation - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1124 Views
Yeah right... - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1238 Views
See my replies above. *NM* - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 1027 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 1004 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 980 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1334 Views
We often see... - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1188 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1258 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1268 Views
Agreed *NM* - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 706 Views
Indeed - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1125 Views
Well... - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1204 Views
Re: Well... - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1190 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1118 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1172 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1130 Views
common sense? - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1126 Views
See my posts above. *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1139 Views
Re: Well... - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1294 Views
No... - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1199 Views
let's try this another way - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1187 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1114 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1211 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1258 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1328 Views
RJ used the expression... - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1115 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1217 Views
Re: No... - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1084 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1172 Views
Couple of questions - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1181 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 1033 Views
Hmmm - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1154 Views
Re: Hmmm - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 1032 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1064 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1131 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1223 Views
We've seen it done. - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1070 Views
Not the same thing - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 1053 Views
Re: Couple of questions - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1225 Views
As said... - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1154 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 595 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1173 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1152 Views
But look... - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1181 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1068 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1145 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1148 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1196 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1071 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1134 Views
??? - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1110 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1138 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 911 Views
Indeed - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1067 Views
Re: Indeed - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 1038 Views
LOL!! - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 884 Views
Too much? - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1138 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1257 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 719 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 965 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1161 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1392 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 871 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1289 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1093 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1094 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1070 Views
Doesn't make sense - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1099 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 1032 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 711 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1142 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 1051 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1112 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1093 Views
Well, I don't think so. - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1113 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1188 Views
Again... - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1184 Views
Taking things NO - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1144 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 979 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 980 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 1037 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 997 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 1035 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 993 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 709 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 932 Views
I'm relieved then... - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 941 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1069 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1204 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1108 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 1030 Views
That's always been my theory too - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1136 Views
*nods* - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1146 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1070 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 1025 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1079 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1049 Views
That is simply false. - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1123 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1180 Views
Of course, it is false - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1104 Views
Here are the quotes - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 1033 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 703 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 943 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 565 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 761 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1108 Views
Well... - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1105 Views
Logic - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1063 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1063 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 731 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1171 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 1032 Views
That reminds me... - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1056 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1110 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1049 Views
Yeah... - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1152 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1107 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1111 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1134 Views
That are just semantics - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1205 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1081 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 1047 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1132 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1172 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1137 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1200 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1209 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 969 Views
um no it's not - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1054 Views
It's told after that... - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 1017 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1172 Views
Yeah... - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1096 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1088 Views
Ah, whatever... - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 1011 Views
We are on the exact same page - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1071 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1141 Views
LMAO - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1517 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1079 Views

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