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I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM
figuring out who dunnit. You just don't like it because it speaks against your boy Slayer.
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2732 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1441 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 775 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1241 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1174 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 1105 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 703 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 681 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1246 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1552 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 800 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1234 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1351 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1195 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1223 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1280 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1330 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1196 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1151 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1133 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1162 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1275 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1228 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1173 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1283 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 1072 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 1050 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 1031 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1380 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1230 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1316 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1321 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 726 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1169 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1240 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1235 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1162 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1218 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1180 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1170 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1190 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1348 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1240 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1232 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1151 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1257 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1301 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1375 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1161 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1262 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1136 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1213 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1230 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 1069 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1199 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 1071 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1096 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1175 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1262 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1112 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 1102 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1261 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1193 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 610 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1215 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1198 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1215 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1114 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1185 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1208 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1238 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1120 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1185 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1189 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1153 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1185 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 954 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1104 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 1087 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 1121 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 1102 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 918 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1185 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1292 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 736 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 999 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1197 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1429 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 913 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1338 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1127 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1129 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1109 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1136 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 1063 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 689 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 743 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1187 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 1140 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 692 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1204 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 786 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 1127 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1154 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1132 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1160 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1224 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1218 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1190 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 1012 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 1017 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 1079 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 1044 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 1069 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 1031 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 726 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 975 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 981 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1116 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1271 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1149 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 1069 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1179 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1184 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1105 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 1069 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1116 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1086 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1166 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1239 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1146 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 1078 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 723 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 982 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 588 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 779 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1150 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1138 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1099 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1098 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 751 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1212 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 1084 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1099 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1145 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1087 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1201 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1151 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1197 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1176 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1241 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1120 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 1103 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1165 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1210 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1177 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1246 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1256 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 1005 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1092 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 1060 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1204 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1129 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1132 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 1059 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1107 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1191 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1549 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1118 Views
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