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Nope! fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM
For god's sake, women like Kataring and Silviana, who are weaker than Moiriane, are able to shield Egwene with Egwene thinking there is no hope for her escape. No way is she twice as strong as Moiraine.


She says Egwene is as strong as Moiraine and Amys combined.

Amys is described as almost as strong as Moiraine.

That means Egwene is very close to twice Moiraine's strength.


Avi said Egwene could handle Moiraine and Amys in a fight. Similarly, Ewgene thinks if she holds the element of surprise, she can handle five Aes Sedai in the coach with her (in KoD). Doesn't mean Egwene's strength is five times the Aes Sedai's!
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2313 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 1063 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 949 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1253 Views
No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM 1095 Views
See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1069 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1163 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1099 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1098 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 920 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1222 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 912 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1083 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1086 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1082 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 1035 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 893 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1071 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 951 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 1019 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 858 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1068 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 893 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 994 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1089 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1092 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1067 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1063 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 1000 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 1038 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1089 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:29:04 PM 1190 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 984 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 907 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 993 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 1075 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 864 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1104 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1131 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 971 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1067 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 1064 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 922 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1028 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 910 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1074 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1113 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 970 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 955 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 863 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 973 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 913 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1054 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 909 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 995 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 1011 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 919 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 801 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 902 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 633 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1027 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 995 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 921 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 932 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1148 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 803 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 927 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 908 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 918 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 882 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1071 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 983 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1114 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 869 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1071 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1075 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 932 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 869 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1026 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 827 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1038 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 906 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1109 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 1011 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 904 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 858 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 982 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 848 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 847 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 847 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 875 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 847 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 860 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 1017 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1497 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1099 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1049 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 508 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1117 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 970 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 960 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 832 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 893 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 907 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 878 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 898 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1027 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 974 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1048 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 975 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 1020 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 881 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 978 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1039 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 858 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 845 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 595 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 545 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1073 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 910 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 895 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1078 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 834 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 844 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 998 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 880 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 874 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 956 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1066 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1032 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 992 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1103 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 961 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 996 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 858 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 806 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 836 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 842 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 961 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 1008 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 844 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 999 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1322 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 968 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 920 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 879 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1065 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 913 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 592 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 861 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1042 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1126 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 843 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 874 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1149 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 883 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1053 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 922 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 1008 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 882 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 869 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 970 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 918 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1197 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1039 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 963 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 930 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1044 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1252 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 847 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 995 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 961 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 949 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 1033 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 947 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 1011 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1055 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 986 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1099 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 880 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 921 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 524 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 619 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 928 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 934 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1037 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 909 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 1013 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 868 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 871 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 488 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1451 Views
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