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Thought on this darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM

Dude, I can't believe you think this. So you think that RJ was putting in a falsehood about female strength to show how inexperienced Elayne is? That is mad IMO.

Dude, are you thinking before you're typing? It isn't a falsehood. It is RJ ensuring that Elayne doesn't have information that is over and above what she should know, given her experience.

For example, the Aes Sedai think Sharina is as strong as a woman can get. We know this isn't true. Is RJ making the Aes Sedai lie, or is he making them say things based on their experience?


How do you equate sneaking up and shielding someone, with Egwene having the Power to match two strong women directly? What happened when Nynaeve got free... the two linked Sisters lost. That's what Aviendha was saying, and Nynaeve at least, proved it.


And how did they lose the duel? Because Nynaeve convinced the Kin to help her. She was helpless before that. If you seriously think wouldn't have been able to break a shield that is of total strength 30 at most, then I don't know what to say to you. Continue in your delusions, I guess.


1. Nynaeve has shown more than once that Shielding isn't a strong skill for her. She could be one of those like Asmo who just doesn't have much ability in this area.

2. Lan was actually how Nynaeve got out of this, and it seems unlikely the Kin did much in the way of fighting since they were still terrified of Ispan only moments later, not to mention Falion managed to escape which would have been unlikely if the Kin had joined in.

3. I actually think women can shield other women far more easily than they can men. Take Sheraine/Mylen, she held 3 shields on Joline, Teslyn and Edesina... clearly she's not vastly stronger than any of those women, but she was able to manage it. Then there is Cadsuane's thoughts on 3 women (non particularly strong) being able to hold Semirhage, "taking no chances".
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2509 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 1247 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 1157 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1444 Views
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See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1264 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1329 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1265 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1272 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 1093 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1398 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 1093 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1271 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1268 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1289 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 1243 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 1089 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1240 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 1137 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 1199 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 1051 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1242 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 1079 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 1174 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1268 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1265 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1228 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1224 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 1170 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 1235 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1261 Views
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Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 1148 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 1078 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 1199 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 1315 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 1023 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1315 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1300 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1141 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1239 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 1250 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 1082 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1235 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 1095 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1246 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1287 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 1133 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 1113 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 1055 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 1155 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 1123 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1248 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 1070 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 1164 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 1203 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 1076 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 963 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 1091 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 812 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1196 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 1199 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 1089 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 1090 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1321 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 992 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 1098 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 1100 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 1090 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 1061 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1241 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 1163 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1288 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 1051 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1252 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1273 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 1117 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 1046 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1208 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 1006 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1217 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 1086 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1285 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 1237 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 1075 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 1049 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 1160 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 1020 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 1031 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 1018 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 1042 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 1016 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 1036 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 1194 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1690 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1270 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1243 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 592 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1329 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 1160 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 1127 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 996 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 1074 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 1083 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 1063 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 1081 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1210 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 1155 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1225 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 1150 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 1186 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 1055 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 1172 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1226 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 1031 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 1035 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 686 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 635 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1241 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 1107 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 1092 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1279 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 1008 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 1014 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 1174 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 1081 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 1050 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 1174 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1241 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1188 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 1178 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1274 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 1146 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 1181 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 1040 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 983 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 1007 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 1038 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 1148 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 1230 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 1047 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 1168 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1521 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 1154 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1128 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 1086 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1257 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 1107 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 680 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 1048 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1207 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1291 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 1028 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 1051 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1308 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 1064 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1232 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 1093 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 1183 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 1077 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 1033 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 1133 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 1073 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1390 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1213 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 1150 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 1134 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1231 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1416 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 1014 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 1194 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 1155 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 1115 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 1240 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 1117 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 1215 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1225 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 1196 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1296 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 1061 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 1111 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 609 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 710 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 1101 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 1124 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1213 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 1072 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 1180 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 1042 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 1044 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 575 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1634 Views
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