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Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM
is weaker than Moiraine.

Meaning whether we use your scale or mine, there needs to be a non-strength explanation for why Barasine can hold Egwene and Amys cannot.


Or maybe you're trying to put a triangular block into a square hole.

It's a screwed-up half-ass magic system that has huge flaws in it. Amys can't do it properly, but we're expected to eat the theory that Barasine or Katerine can at a much later stage in the books when Egwene is getting really skilled and powerful. Sometimes I can't believe we give this stuff the time of day. It's clearly got huge errors in it.




RJ's answer would no doubt have been that Barasine has a shielding talent, or some such unprovable thing which he used to cover his inconsistencies from time to time.



Silviana says that she's going to replace the Sisters in the morning with two new ones. Does the whole Tower have the Talent?

Bah... what a waste of time.


Did RJ revise the One Power system towards the latter part of the series? Say around books 9 and 10? That would coincide with the Cleansing, where smaller circles suddenly matched very powerful Forsaken?
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2580 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 1296 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 1206 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1506 Views
No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM 1313 Views
See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1296 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1369 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1304 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1302 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 1129 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1432 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 1129 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1318 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1301 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1350 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 1298 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 1134 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1289 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 1172 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 1232 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 1122 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1279 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 1116 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 1211 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1300 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1308 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1263 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1285 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 1208 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 1270 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1296 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:29:04 PM 1393 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 1183 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 1109 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 1286 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 1360 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 1081 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1355 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1352 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1176 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1286 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 1299 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 1135 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1275 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 1135 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1287 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1339 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 1171 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 1146 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 1085 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 1190 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 1163 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1285 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 1109 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 1199 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 1241 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 1108 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 1000 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 1125 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 845 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1250 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 1276 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 1123 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 1126 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1361 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 1033 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 1135 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 1153 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 1125 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 1096 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1299 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 1212 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1325 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 1100 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1287 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1317 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 1153 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 1083 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1251 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 1040 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1261 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 1120 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1370 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 1268 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 1107 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 1117 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 1191 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 1081 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 1060 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 1062 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 1097 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 1054 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 1074 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 1240 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1725 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1323 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1285 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 610 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1368 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 1199 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 1165 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 1028 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 1107 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 1123 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 1098 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 1113 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1284 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 1244 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1279 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 1190 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 1248 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 1103 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 1210 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1260 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 1069 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 1075 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 706 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 667 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1276 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 1151 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 1141 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1346 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 1079 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 1049 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 1206 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 1119 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 1093 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 1229 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1279 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1218 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 1216 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1310 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 1179 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 1215 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 1092 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 1015 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 1040 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 1080 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 1184 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 1314 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 1078 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 1205 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1592 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 1204 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1185 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 1145 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1292 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 1173 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 698 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 1083 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1242 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1325 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 1060 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 1086 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1344 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 1101 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1281 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 1134 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 1250 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 1118 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 1069 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 1168 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 1111 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1438 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1245 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 1181 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 1172 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1264 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1456 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 1046 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 1238 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 1196 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 1150 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 1274 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 1191 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 1249 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1263 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 1232 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1327 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 1096 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 1145 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 627 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 735 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 1132 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 1161 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1251 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 1106 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 1219 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 1073 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 1075 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 594 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1663 Views
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