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It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM
Dammit Sidious... this is getting irritating as hell. Silviana clearly states that in the night when Egwene will surely gain her full strength, Barasine alone is enough to shield her, but she wants one more person to prevent trickery from Egwene.

Thus, Barasine alone can shield Egwene, meaning Egwene cannot be more than twice as strong as her.


We know for a FACT that Amys cannot hold Egwene for more than a few moments in FoH. If Barasine is weaker than Amys, how on earth can Barasine hold Egwene if Egwene is NOT under the influence of forkroot?

Either RJ was wrong, or BS is wrong. So, who do YOU think is wrong?


Barasine could shield Egwene in KoD, so it was RJ all the way.

Now, Amys said she was exhausted by the effort, but she still did hold the shield. So it isn't true at all that Amys cannot shield Egwene.

By my list, both are stronger than half Egwene's strength, and thus both can indeed shield her. Which is verified by the text.
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2313 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 1062 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 948 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1252 Views
No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM 1095 Views
See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1068 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1162 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1098 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1097 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 919 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1222 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 911 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1082 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1086 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1081 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 1035 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 892 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1071 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 950 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 1019 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 857 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1067 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 893 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 994 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1088 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1092 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1066 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1062 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 999 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 1037 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1088 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:29:04 PM 1189 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 984 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 906 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 993 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 1074 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 863 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1104 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1131 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 971 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1066 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 1063 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 921 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1027 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 909 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1073 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1113 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 969 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 954 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 863 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 972 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 912 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1054 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 909 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 994 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 1010 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 918 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 801 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 902 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 632 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1026 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 995 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 921 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 932 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1148 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 803 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 926 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 907 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 918 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 881 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1070 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 982 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1114 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 869 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1070 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1074 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 932 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 868 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1026 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 827 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1038 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 905 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1108 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 1010 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 904 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 857 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 982 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 847 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 846 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 847 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 874 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 846 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 860 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 1017 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1496 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1099 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1048 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 508 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1116 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 969 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 960 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 832 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 893 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 906 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 877 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 897 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1027 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 973 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1047 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 975 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 1019 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 880 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 977 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1038 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 858 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 844 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 594 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 544 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1072 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 910 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 895 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1076 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 833 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 843 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 997 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 879 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 873 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 955 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1066 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1032 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 992 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1102 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 960 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 996 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 858 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 805 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 836 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 841 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 960 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 1007 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 844 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 999 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1321 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 968 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 920 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 878 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1064 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 913 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 591 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 861 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1041 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1126 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 843 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 874 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1149 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 882 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1052 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 921 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 1007 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 881 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 869 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 970 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 918 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1197 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1039 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 962 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 929 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1044 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1252 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 846 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 994 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 961 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 949 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 1033 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 946 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 1011 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1055 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 985 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1099 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 880 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 921 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 523 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 618 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 928 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 933 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1036 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 908 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 1012 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 867 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 871 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 487 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1451 Views
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