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Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM
is weaker than Moiraine.

Meaning whether we use your scale or mine, there needs to be a non-strength explanation for why Barasine can hold Egwene and Amys cannot.


Or maybe you're trying to put a triangular block into a square hole.

It's a screwed-up half-ass magic system that has huge flaws in it. Amys can't do it properly, but we're expected to eat the theory that Barasine or Katerine can at a much later stage in the books when Egwene is getting really skilled and powerful. Sometimes I can't believe we give this stuff the time of day. It's clearly got huge errors in it.




RJ's answer would no doubt have been that Barasine has a shielding talent, or some such unprovable thing which he used to cover his inconsistencies from time to time.



Silviana says that she's going to replace the Sisters in the morning with two new ones. Does the whole Tower have the Talent?

Bah... what a waste of time.


Did RJ revise the One Power system towards the latter part of the series? Say around books 9 and 10? That would coincide with the Cleansing, where smaller circles suddenly matched very powerful Forsaken?
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2470 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 1202 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 1113 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1400 Views
No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM 1231 Views
See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1207 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1288 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1224 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1227 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 1053 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1352 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 1051 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1228 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1219 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1235 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 1189 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 1043 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1199 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 1088 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 1156 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 1007 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1199 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 1032 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 1132 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1223 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1229 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1193 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1184 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 1134 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 1191 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1222 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:29:04 PM 1317 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 1105 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 1031 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 1142 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 1261 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 987 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1274 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1257 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1103 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1191 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 1200 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 1044 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1190 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 1058 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1207 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1242 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 1098 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 1074 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 1014 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 1110 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 1081 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1207 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 1029 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 1122 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 1160 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 1035 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 923 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 1046 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 768 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1158 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 1150 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 1045 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 1055 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1276 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 953 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 1059 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 1058 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 1048 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 1016 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1200 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 1122 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1237 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 1004 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1208 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1215 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 1075 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 1006 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1166 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 959 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1170 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 1051 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1236 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 1175 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 1032 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 1000 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 1120 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 976 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 990 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 976 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 1000 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 973 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 993 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 1155 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1645 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1222 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1202 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 566 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1289 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 1115 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 1083 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 954 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 1027 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 1042 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 1016 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 1045 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1172 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 1118 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1184 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 1106 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 1145 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 1012 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 1123 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1179 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 983 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 994 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 664 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 608 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1200 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 1062 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 1045 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1235 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 966 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 972 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 1133 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 1037 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 1010 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 1127 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1199 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1150 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 1132 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1230 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 1103 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 1134 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 994 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 934 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 969 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 990 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 1109 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 1155 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 999 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 1123 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1477 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 1094 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1081 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 1034 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1215 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 1063 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 658 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 1008 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1164 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1247 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 981 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 1000 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1264 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 1018 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1188 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 1048 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 1138 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 1021 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 992 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 1097 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 1035 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1330 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1177 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 1111 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 1089 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1183 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1378 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 971 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 1126 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 1112 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 1077 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 1188 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 1080 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 1147 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1180 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 1158 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1246 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 1021 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 1071 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 585 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 685 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 1052 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 1073 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1162 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 1032 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 1134 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 995 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 1003 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 552 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1586 Views
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