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Huh? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM
Lanfear alone was able to shield Rand, except that he sliced her weaves. There's no way 3xSemirhage=Lanfear.

Its closer to Semirhage almost=Lanfear. Thus, Semi alone should have a decent chance of Shielding Rand, and linked to a weak Aes Sedai, she definitely will be able to.


No, Lanfear was not able to shield Rand when he was holding Saidin. She succeeded once when he was not holding Saidin, but that was when he was still working on learning the basics (before Asmodean) and weaker besides.

After tGS I doubt that even three as strong as Semirhage could shield him or hold a shield on him,

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A reread of tFoH may be in order, then. LAnfear almost shields Rand, and is stopped only because he cuts her weaves. Rand is unable to believe she is so strong.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2255 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1322 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1405 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1468 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1501 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1393 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1342 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1436 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1264 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1329 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1176 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1256 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1243 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1120 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1178 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1333 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1240 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1209 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1201 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1205 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1251 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1145 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1256 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 1149 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1217 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1197 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1143 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1209 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1201 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1217 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1133 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2120 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1297 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1195 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1179 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1136 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1327 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1325 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1123 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1160 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1197 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1201 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1346 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1348 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1174 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1302 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1313 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1237 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1300 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1239 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1016 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1014 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1104 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 992 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1276 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1264 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1203 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1174 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 663 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1133 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 568 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1059 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1225 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1174 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1223 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 1135 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1248 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1035 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 499 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1106 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1181 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1422 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1053 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1279 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1086 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1122 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1284 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1247 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1325 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1157 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1178 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1080 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 980 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1310 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1168 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1178 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1155 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1165 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1211 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1295 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1128 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1220 Views
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