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Oh come on... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM
Leaving aside unfathomable stuff about Aes Sedai and False Dragons who lived millenia ago, lets just look at Rand...

FACT: Lanfear could shield him, except for his defense. Her shields were strong enough to cut his connection.

FACT: Six Aes Sedai held Rand.

FACT: Lews Therin is not certain Rand can shield seven modern Aes Sedai even with his angreal.

FACT: Rand also said that unless one of the three Aes Sedai in front of him was Moghedien in a wig, he didn't have anything to worry about, a statement that directly contradicts his own that three Semirhages are needed to worry him.

Its clear that what Rand meant is what Sid said. It is about overwhelming Rand completely, not being a threat to him.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2070 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1148 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1218 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1288 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1261 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1229 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1168 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1268 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1100 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1178 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1004 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1074 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1082 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 947 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 964 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1153 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1075 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1056 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1050 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1019 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1097 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 944 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1055 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 978 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1013 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1022 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 980 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1024 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1037 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1016 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 960 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 1946 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1131 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1048 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1011 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 971 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1159 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1175 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 954 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1005 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1004 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 990 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1142 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1153 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1007 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1128 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1142 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1078 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1101 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1100 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 853 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 871 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 945 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 826 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1119 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1106 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1045 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1015 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 588 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 960 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 497 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 889 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1061 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1021 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1073 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 964 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1097 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 850 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 421 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 940 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1024 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1225 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 879 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1127 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 925 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 964 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1105 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1079 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1169 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1011 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1005 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 935 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 835 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1144 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1005 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1017 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 995 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1006 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1047 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1141 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 989 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1041 Views
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