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So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM

Nynaeve says that you cannot shield someone if they are already holding the source unless you are much stronger than they are. And Nynaeve is talking about shielding someone of the same sex.

Yet, she shields Moggy, and Talaan shields her, and in both cases, the people involved had the same strength.

RJ says it is much harder to shield someone of the opposite sex. So clearly your strength advantage will have to be even greater.

So, in effect, you're saying none of he Female Forsaken can shield the males if they hold the source? That is total BS, and disproved by the fact that Lanfear was actually able to cut Rand's hold on the source.
Is Lanfear even 1% stronger than Lews Therin?

She is likely his match.
The answer to that is obviously no. Therefore it goes without saying that it is impossible for Lanfear to shield Lews Therin at his full strength and full knowledge level.

Yet, she made multiple efforts in the AoL to capture him alive and well? 8}
There can be no doubt about that.

Well, there's the fact that she succeeded, so no, you're not right.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2089 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1164 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1235 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1302 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1278 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1246 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1185 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1284 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1119 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1192 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1023 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1089 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1097 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 968 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 984 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1173 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1093 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1073 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1067 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1035 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1116 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 961 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1074 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 995 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1033 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1040 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 997 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1041 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1057 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1037 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 978 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 1962 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1146 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1063 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1028 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 991 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1176 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1191 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 970 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1022 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1023 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1005 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1157 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1170 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1026 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1143 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1160 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1096 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1141 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1116 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 868 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 887 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 962 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 842 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1134 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1123 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1062 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1038 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 595 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 979 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 504 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 904 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1079 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1036 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1087 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 978 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1113 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 873 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 428 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 956 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1039 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1239 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 894 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1141 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 939 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 978 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1117 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1094 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1183 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1022 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1020 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 950 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 851 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1159 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1021 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1032 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1008 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1023 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1063 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1159 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1003 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1060 Views
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