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I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM
Leaving aside unfathomable stuff about Aes Sedai and False Dragons who lived millenia ago, lets just look at Rand...

FACT: Lanfear could shield him, except for his defense. Her shields were strong enough to cut his connection.

FACT: Six Aes Sedai held Rand.

FACT: Lews Therin is not certain Rand can shield seven modern Aes Sedai even with his angreal.

FACT: Rand also said that unless one of the three Aes Sedai in front of him was Moghedien in a wig, he didn't have anything to worry about, a statement that directly contradicts his own that three Semirhages are needed to worry him.

Its clear that what Rand meant is what Sid said. It is about overwhelming Rand completely, not being a threat to him.


Yes, because he did not know how to resist them. If you don't resist, then of course she can cut your connection. Just holding onto the Source means you leave yourself defenseless.

Of course six Aes Sedai can hold him. But it takes a LOT more to cut you off if you are already holding the Source. Come on, that's One Power 101. Even you know that.

Again, to shield someone who is already holding the Source, you must be MUCH stronger than they are. Something like 50% stronger, if the books are any indication. Was Rand sure that he is 50% stronger than 7 Aes Sedai, whose individual strengths he doesn't know, and who might or might not have angreal with them?

How was he to know.

If one of them was Moghedien, she would be dangerous enough. Maybe not to shield him, but very dangerous to confront.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2363 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1416 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1505 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1567 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1616 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1503 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1475 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1533 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1369 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1459 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1280 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1365 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1348 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1222 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1274 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1434 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1336 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1326 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1306 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1309 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1358 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1244 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1358 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 1242 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1317 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1290 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1241 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1313 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1306 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1316 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1229 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2229 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1404 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1281 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1280 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1237 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1427 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1457 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1248 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1254 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1292 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1293 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1463 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1451 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1281 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1408 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1416 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1325 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1398 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1341 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1115 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1107 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1209 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 1092 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1372 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1358 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1300 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1263 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 720 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1246 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 622 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1145 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1331 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1268 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1315 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 1242 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1350 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1136 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 573 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1226 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1327 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1507 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1144 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1384 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1183 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1218 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1401 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1379 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1430 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1253 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1272 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1194 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 1077 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1449 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1272 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1308 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1266 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1261 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1309 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1404 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1221 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1322 Views
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