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Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM

Yes, because he did not know how to resist them. If you don't resist, then of course she can cut your connection. Just holding onto the Source means you leave yourself defenseless.

That isn't true at all. Verin and co. threw a shield at Graendal. Graendal did nothing, yet the shield bounced off. Verin and Alanna threw a shield at Rand in LoC. He did nothing, and the shield bounced off.

Of course six Aes Sedai can hold him. But it takes a LOT more to cut you off if you are already holding the Source. Come on, that's One Power 101. Even you know that.

Yes, but who said the six sisters against the False Dragons were trying to shield him? It was a battle, by all accounts, and not a shielding match.

Again, to shield someone who is already holding the Source, you must be MUCH stronger than they are. Something like 50% stronger, if the books are any indication. Was Rand sure that he is 50% stronger than 7 Aes Sedai, whose individual strengths he doesn't know, and who might or might not have angreal with them?

Was Talaan even .1% stronger than Nynaeve?

How was he to know.

Because he has an idea of how strong AS are from seeing how strong the strongest among them is?
If one of them was Moghedien, she would be dangerous enough. Maybe not to shield him, but very dangerous to confront.

She would be able to shield him. Unless he cut her shield.


The closer you are in strength, the more uncertain it becomes that you will be able to shield someone. If you are exactly equal, the chances of success are very slim. In fact, in Nynaeve's case, it was proven that although she was equal to Talaan, she was unable to shield her, and was in fact shielded herself because Talaan was more skilled.

So it became a battle of skill, which Nynaeve lost.

As for Verin and Graendal's cases. See above. Verin and Alanna's shield was hopelessly weaker than Rand's connection to the source. So much weaker that he did not even have to bother to resist it.

Same with Graendal and Verin's case. Graendal was channeling through an angreal and the thickness of her connection was either exceeded Verin's shield strength by too great a margin, or Verin's shield was of insufficient precision to slice through it.

We know Lanfear is very dexterous, and can therefore no doubt create shield with a much sharper "edge", meaning in effect that she can punch above her weight in strength.

But as I said before, if it was Lews Therin in front of her, instead of the untrained, ignorant Rand, she would have had no chance.

Ishamael could not even cut Lews Therin off from the source. How on earth could Lanfear hope to do it then?


There's no proof that Rand made a massive jump in strength and skill after this. A chapter later he fought Rahvin, and earlier in the book he got into a direct battle with Sammael. How unskilled could he be compared to Lews Therin? Are you telling me that you could add a second Lanfear and Lews Therin would be able to hold them off?
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No three women could block him from the Source... - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2335 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1396 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1491 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1544 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1589 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1479 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1454 Views
Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1509 Views
Re: Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1350 Views
- 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1417 Views
Re: - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1254 Views
No, this is before. - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1339 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1323 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1201 Views
Simple answer to settle it: - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1254 Views
So Talaan is God? - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1410 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1311 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1305 Views
So? - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1286 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1284 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1330 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1220 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1289 Views
Lanfear can do it alone - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1263 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1220 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1287 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1286 Views
Bah! - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1296 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1208 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2196 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1382 Views
BUT... - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1261 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1215 Views
No. There's a difference. - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1403 Views
Oh come on... - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1424 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1217 Views
But that isn't true... - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1232 Views
Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1270 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1272 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1436 Views
??? - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1426 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1259 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1383 Views
Exactly! - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1391 Views
Touchy point, heh? - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1310 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1373 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1320 Views
If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1090 Views
Re: If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1088 Views
Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1189 Views
Re: Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 1070 Views
Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1351 Views
Re: Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1334 Views
Okay... - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1273 Views
Re: Okay... - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1236 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 709 Views
What? - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1224 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 609 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1126 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1305 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1249 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1290 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1326 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1115 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1199 Views
+1 - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1284 Views
- 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1485 Views
Re: - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1125 Views
indeed you have - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1362 Views
Bad analogy... - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1167 Views
Uh... - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1196 Views
I disagree. - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1376 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1351 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1405 Views
go back a few posts... - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1231 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1247 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1166 Views
Agreed - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 1050 Views
I don't think there's any theme - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1425 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1244 Views
They have a separate trinity. - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1286 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1241 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1240 Views
No, that's not right either. - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1286 Views
I disagree - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1376 Views
Another related quote - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1203 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1295 Views

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