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Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM
I think my interpretation is opposite of what you imply. But maybe I'm wrong, and you know better what my interpretations look like... ;)


You're saying no one Forsaken like Semirhage, or even two, can shield Rand. Correct?

Yet, Rand says this:
"I think you just did. They aren't all coming. I said no more than three, so that is what they're sending."
In the mirror his head tilted as if he were listening, and he nodded, voice dropping to a murmur. "Yes, I can handle three, if they aren't too strong." Abruptly he noticed her looking. "Of course, if one of them is Moghedien in a wig, or Semirhage, I may be in trouble."

So, clearly Rand is in trouble if two not "too strong" women and either Moghedien or Semirhage attacks him.

Now you tell me how else I am to read this, except that Moggy+two weak women>2 x Semirhage?


Thanks for the quote.

Only I don't understand your math here. Now you saying "2 x Semirhage", but before it was "3 x Semirhage". So which one?

Another point. Saying "I maybe in trouble" is not equal "No three women could block him from the Source ". It just not the same. When he says "I maybe in trouble" he easily could've meant that he would need to break sweat and stand up from the chair to handle them. Or he could've meant he need to do actual fighting before he could handle all three. Or he could've meant he is going to fight very hard for his life before he could handle them. But saying "block him from the Source" means only one thing - he's defeated. So no, I don't think you can compare those two quotes. The only definitive quote is "No three women could block him from the Source unless they were as strong as Semirhage or Mesaana". "Maybe in trouble" just don't cut it.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2311 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1380 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1466 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1521 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1569 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1460 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1424 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1493 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1330 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1390 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1235 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1323 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1298 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1183 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1237 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1391 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1294 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1286 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1268 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1267 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1304 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1200 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1316 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 1202 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1273 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1247 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1201 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1266 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1267 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1278 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1193 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2177 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1363 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1243 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1241 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1197 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1383 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1386 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1193 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1214 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1247 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1254 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1408 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1406 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1240 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1360 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1372 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1297 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1358 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1298 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1066 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1073 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1170 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 1051 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1334 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1316 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1258 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1221 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 699 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1206 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 597 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1112 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1287 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1232 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1273 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 1198 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1302 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1098 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 548 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1177 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1252 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1472 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1106 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1343 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1148 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1176 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1359 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1324 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1386 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1212 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1233 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1150 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 1033 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1402 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1232 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1255 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1224 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1221 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1270 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1355 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1185 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1278 Views
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