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Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin Send a noteboard - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM
I'm happy to know Aes Sedai strength is not restricted to a few levels. The whole "Aes Sedai strength ranges from 5/10 to 25) has been quashed completely. That's pretty great.

Second, in response to the average strength debate, I'm again proved right. Most channelers would be in the middle indeed, so the average female strength would indeed be 50, in a scale of 100. Hooray for that as well!


The best way to get a large range of strength is to have a non linear scale. You can have a mean on a non linear scale, so that doesn't present any problems.

I would think that there's a constant % increase per level, else we could never know strong a particular woman is compared to another unless it is explicitly stated that she's X% stronger/weaker than Y.
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2401 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 1130 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 1043 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1336 Views
No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM 1172 Views
See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1143 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1226 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1161 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1157 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 993 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1282 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 985 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1166 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1146 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1147 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 1106 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 976 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1135 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 1024 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 1084 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 933 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1137 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 953 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 1058 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1157 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1167 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1129 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1125 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 1067 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 1118 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1168 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:29:04 PM 1259 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 1049 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 977 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 1067 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 1199 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 928 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1177 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1189 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1041 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1131 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 1138 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 992 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1123 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 995 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1139 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1177 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 1031 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 1013 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 928 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 1043 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 1011 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1126 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 972 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 1058 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 1086 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 977 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 864 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 971 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 699 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1098 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 1086 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 983 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 992 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1208 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 884 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 1004 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 985 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 980 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 947 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1136 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 1054 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1173 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 941 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1139 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1147 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 1012 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 937 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1094 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 890 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1110 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 989 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1175 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 1093 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 961 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 928 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 1053 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 909 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 916 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 924 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 937 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 916 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 922 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 1085 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1589 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1158 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1131 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 539 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1201 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 1052 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 1024 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 889 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 957 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 970 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 948 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 967 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1100 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 1051 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1118 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 1037 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 1084 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 944 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 1049 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1116 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 920 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 922 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 631 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 576 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1135 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 990 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 975 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1168 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 896 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 908 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 1060 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 956 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 943 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 1045 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1132 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1087 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 1064 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1170 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 1027 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 1055 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 922 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 870 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 901 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 925 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 1040 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 1088 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 937 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 1059 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1407 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 1033 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1011 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 960 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1144 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 991 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 623 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 935 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1105 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1184 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 909 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 935 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1215 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 952 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1120 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 987 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 1078 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 957 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 930 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 1038 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 976 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1266 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1115 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 1036 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 1018 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1121 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1321 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 916 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 1064 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 1041 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 1015 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 1119 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 1007 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 1079 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1117 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 1082 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1173 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 962 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 993 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 557 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 652 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 988 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 1015 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1098 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 966 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 1074 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 928 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 943 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 523 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1515 Views
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