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No she didn't what? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM

Silviana made them both go and shield her all night.

Yes... when did I say anything different? Silviana did make them both go, but Katerine felt both were not required, that Barasine alone was enough. Sid said that was because of the Forkroot, but the Forkroot would wear off by the morning. It was already wearing off.

Since Katerine seems to think Barasine is enough, and Silviana only puts two women in for the job because she thinks Egwene is tricky, its clear the Reds think Egwene can be held by one of them.

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Katerine and Barasine were startled to say the least at hearing Elaida’s plans for Egwene, and not best pleased to learn that they would be watching her and shielding her while she slept, although Silviana told them she would arrange for other sisters to come after an hour or two.

“Why both of us?” Katerine wanted to know, which earned her a wry glance from Barasine. If only one were sent, it surely would not be Katerine, who stood higher.

“Firstly, because I said so.” Silviana waited until the other two Reds nodded in acceptance. They did so with obvious reluctance, but not enough to make her wait long. She had not put on her shawl to come into the hallway, and in some odd fashion, she seemed the one out of place.

“And secondly, because this child is tricky, I think. I want her watched carefully awake or asleep. Which of you has her ring?”

Katerine and Barasine go on to Egwene's room with her and stay the night.

Or are replaced by two more. I don't see why you're telling me all this. You're only reinforcing my point.

Even Leane has two guards at all times, even if only one is holding her shield.

Yes, but in this case both women are holding Egwene's shield.
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See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1088 Views
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How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1118 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1120 Views
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Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1240 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 926 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1101 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1110 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1097 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 1054 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 911 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1093 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 971 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 1040 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 877 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1087 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 912 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 1015 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1109 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1112 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1088 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1082 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 1018 Views
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Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1108 Views
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RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 927 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 1013 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 1134 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 881 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1124 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1147 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 993 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1087 Views
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Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 947 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1048 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 929 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1093 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1130 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 989 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 973 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 883 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 994 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 949 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1072 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 930 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 1014 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 1031 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 938 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 818 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 920 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 653 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1044 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 1035 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 941 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 946 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1170 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 826 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 944 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 928 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 937 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 903 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1089 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 1004 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1130 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 891 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1095 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1094 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 952 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 885 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1044 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 847 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1057 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 926 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1125 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 1034 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 922 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 871 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 1001 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 866 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 866 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 866 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 897 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 865 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 878 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 1036 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1532 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1117 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1070 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 516 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1137 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 990 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 979 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 851 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 910 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 928 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 900 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 918 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1046 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 993 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1070 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 993 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 1038 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 900 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 999 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1059 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 877 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 865 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 605 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 552 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1095 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 931 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 912 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1114 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 853 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 860 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 1019 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 898 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 892 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 978 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1085 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1050 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 1011 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1123 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 980 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 1016 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 878 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 823 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 855 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 861 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 979 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 1028 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 867 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 1019 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1341 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 989 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 939 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 896 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1082 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 932 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 600 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 881 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1059 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1144 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 862 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 892 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1169 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 900 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1070 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 942 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 1024 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 902 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 884 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 990 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 935 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1219 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1059 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 978 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 951 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1064 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1275 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 865 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 1015 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 984 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 968 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 1054 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 968 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 1031 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1074 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 1008 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1119 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 900 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 940 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 531 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 626 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 948 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 953 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 1057 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 926 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 1034 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 887 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 891 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 497 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1471 Views
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