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Re: On Mat's "death" Datakim Send a noteboard - 13/07/2010 02:23:19 PM
***Brandon*** Re: Mat's dying. In the books, Mat says that he's "Pretty Sure" that he'd already died. So use that as a guide.

***Brandon*** Re: Another Mat being hung confirmation. Like I said, Mat's pretty sure that counted for him dying. He really doesn't want to try anything like that again...


BS strongly indicates here that the Aelfinn's Prophecy about Mat dying and living again was actually fulfilled, when he was hanged, not when he was balefired (RJ RAFOed the question, if Mat died when he was hanged or when he was balefired, before).

Since Mat wasn't truly dead then, it strengthens the idea that also Rand doesn't literally has to die to live, but e.g. will just fake his death by being temporarily put into a death-like coma via a OP stasis weave. This would fulfill the Prophecy as well.


A quick look at the quote library suggests otherwise, and that it was death-by-Rahvin that resulted in the prophecy being fullfilled. Mat ofcourse does not know that Rahvin killed him so he assumes (incorrectly) that being hanged and then being revived by Rand fullfills the death prophecy. Regardless, it has been fullfilled.

RJ:

Balticon XXX April 1996 - Bill Garrett reporting

Mat's amulet blocks both saidin and saidar. Jordan answered this one straight-out when asked. He pointed out that the amulet only blocks actual weavings of the One Power, not the physical effects that could be caused by a weaving. For example, Elayne was able to use the One Power to hurl a rock at Mat. Rahvin was able to create a bolt of lightning which struck Mat. (Jordan noted that Mat's death by lightning and subsequent undoing of his death when Rand balefired Rahvin, fulfills a prophecy about living, dying, and then living again.)

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Chat with Brandon posted on Dragonmount Skeeve the Great - 12/07/2010 04:23:24 PM 2265 Views
This... Etzel - 12/07/2010 04:54:28 PM 1379 Views
how do you get there from this? darius_sedai - 12/07/2010 05:47:42 PM 1225 Views
Right. There could easily be a scene like this: beetnemesis - 12/07/2010 06:22:45 PM 1159 Views
Because... Etzel - 12/07/2010 10:40:29 PM 1202 Views
You're brilliant, Etzel, but Brandon is NOT robert jordan newyorkersedai - 13/07/2010 01:18:44 AM 1145 Views
He said it won't be 100% flashback like book 10 Rurouni_Kenshin - 13/07/2010 05:30:18 AM 1054 Views
But obviously not for the timelines, which are up to date. Etzel - 13/07/2010 08:41:37 AM 1163 Views
the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:39:52 AM 1125 Views
Re: the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer dacole - 14/07/2010 04:54:16 AM 1104 Views
Graendal is part of several plot lines. Aran'gar at the very least is unseen in TGS, but involved darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:40:09 PM 1128 Views
No... Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:10:12 AM 1039 Views
so it's not possible for anything that has never been done in the series to happen... ok darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:38:08 PM 996 Views
Again, there is no sensible reason for a scene where Graendal is shown again before her death. *NM* Etzel - 14/07/2010 04:47:21 PM 971 Views
sure there is ... to tell us she killed Asmo darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:56:09 PM 1188 Views
Again... Etzel - 15/07/2010 08:57:34 AM 928 Views
or it could as easily be a scene from Aran'gar's POV that includes Graendal darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:36:21 PM 1085 Views
The point is... Etzel - 15/07/2010 01:55:43 PM 1039 Views
that is 100% your interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:51:49 PM 1094 Views
Noal was involved with Ishy; a connection to Graendal is pure speculation. Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:19:38 PM 995 Views
I'm pointing out that she had more than just Rands plot line darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 03:59:36 PM 1000 Views
As far as we know... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:06:56 PM 1079 Views
she also knows what Cyndane and Moghedien are up to and may be involved darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 01:58:36 PM 1196 Views
There is nothing to support your view, that Graendal was directly involved in any other plotlines... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:31:01 PM 963 Views
She doesn't have to be in order to make an appearance in them darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:26:44 PM 1061 Views
We will see... *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:36:21 PM 1265 Views
Indeed Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:49:43 AM 977 Views
The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:14:04 AM 1189 Views
give up Eztel...they think they know Asmodens killer...we know they are wrong dacole - 13/07/2010 09:45:15 AM 1059 Views
I agree regarding Graendal, but have to disagree concerning Lanfear. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:51:00 AM 1255 Views
Re: The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:03:14 AM 1100 Views
It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:25:36 AM 1165 Views
you keep trotting this point out like it matters darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:07:36 PM 1052 Views
a very irritating habit indeed!! Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:29:19 AM 1154 Views
There is no indication that Graendal & Aran'gar did anything, except for exchanging infos! Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:01:58 AM 991 Views
where do you get this stuff from? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:41:07 PM 1196 Views
Eh, no Etzel - 15/07/2010 02:08:56 PM 1067 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:56:02 PM 1051 Views
Graendal actually tells that she learned interesting things from Aran'gar Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:14:54 PM 1153 Views
pure interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:00:31 PM 1055 Views
Well, it fits RJ's theme that the bad guys actually aren't that competent. *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:12:19 PM 1137 Views
No really since it would make Aran'gar look pretty competent *NM* darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:27:40 PM 476 Views
Aran'gar just had the luck that Rand wasn't after her Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:34:53 PM 875 Views
Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 15/07/2010 06:54:17 PM 1024 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Etzel - 15/07/2010 10:08:44 PM 1039 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 16/07/2010 05:30:25 AM 995 Views
IMO... Etzel - 16/07/2010 08:46:03 AM 972 Views
And... Etzel - 16/07/2010 11:35:44 AM 1078 Views
you continue to ignore that Graendal died about 2 months after she darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 02:06:48 PM 1143 Views
Usually the Forsaken meet in neutral TAR... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:22:34 PM 1136 Views
not really darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:58:57 PM 1215 Views
Good, then we agree, if you consider it unlikely as well. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:56:50 PM 1208 Views
Trust me, Graendal won't be seen; only her name will be mentioned a few times (as BS said). *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:03:33 AM 1044 Views
You should really just write it for BS since you clearly know exactly what's going to happen darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:57:59 PM 1105 Views
Ok... Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:17:02 PM 968 Views
When did I say there would be a Graendal POV? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:03:54 PM 1038 Views
I also just said that... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:10:32 PM 942 Views
Re: It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:10:48 PM 997 Views
But we never... Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:17:30 AM 1051 Views
Re: But we never... Datakim - 15/07/2010 10:52:24 PM 1009 Views
I think Etzel - 16/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 1100 Views
Re: I think Datakim - 16/07/2010 04:37:20 PM 1102 Views
Yeah, RAFO! I predigt however, that we won't have another Graendal PoV. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:59:26 PM 1013 Views
Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true. Logain - 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM 1170 Views
I admit the possibility, but consider it highly unlikely for the reasons I pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:58:01 PM 1112 Views
Because some people can't read... DomA - 14/07/2010 01:05:08 PM 1169 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:14:27 PM 927 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:31:22 AM 953 Views
Rand used so much baelfire on her that he zapped them all back to the last 3rd Age darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:38:48 PM 1166 Views
I wonder if their big role means Rand and Eg will get more chapters than first thought. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2010 05:27:44 PM 1082 Views
Yeah, seems so. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:19:53 PM 1037 Views
Brandon's "Mostly" answer makes it less likely we see the Land of Madmen as Demandred's base Logain - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1235 Views
hrmm, not necessarily Kieran - 12/07/2010 09:28:00 PM 1012 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:24:21 PM 501 Views
Uh... TaskmasterJack - 12/07/2010 10:10:08 PM 1114 Views
or "can't" because ... Shishka - 12/07/2010 10:34:14 PM 986 Views
Re: or "can't" because ... TaskmasterJack - 13/07/2010 01:00:45 AM 1005 Views
I think he isn't allowed to... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:23:55 PM 1130 Views
On a somewhat related note, Sanderson says ToM consists of 80 chapters as of now. Ginormous! RandAllThor - 13/07/2010 01:54:15 AM 980 Views
Perrin catch-up? Comet Sedai - 13/07/2010 02:55:22 AM 957 Views
We will get it on screen Deadsy - 13/07/2010 03:30:33 AM 996 Views
On Mat's "death" Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:34:35 PM 1234 Views
Re: On Mat's "death" Datakim - 13/07/2010 02:23:19 PM 954 Views
This report was probably a misinterpretation Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:23:24 AM 1084 Views
Re: This report was probably a misinterpretation Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:03:36 PM 1087 Views
I emailed BS and he sent me copies of both the books he mentioned in the Q&A! Mats imaginary friend - 14/07/2010 08:32:58 PM 1008 Views
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