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I disagree darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 15/07/2010 02:56:02 PM
Therefore, also the idea that Aran'gar and Delana would suddenly live in Graendal's palace is completely unsupported and unlikely (IMO, even absurd) speculation.

BS can answer plot points in other ways than bringing a character back in such a scene before the death. That would at least fit with the way the series is written.


There is plenty of indication that Aran'gar and Graendal have begun a more robust partnership than simply exchanging information! Aran'gar had all kinds of plans on how to utilize Graendal's contacts and is in the midst of re-establishing her base now that she's not with the Rebels. Graendal mentioned again in TGS that their association was "official" so clearly they have plans.


Graendal precisely just mentions that Aran'gar gives her informations. There is no further cooperation known to us. And it's even quite unlikely that both would trust each other than much. Remember that even Demandred, Semirhage and Mesaana don't work that closely together. And Aran'gar doesn't even know where Graendal's lair is.

Probably Aran'gar will just manage to take over Graendal's network eventually, after her death.


It always seemed to me that the two of them were looking to unbalance the trio. Aran'gar not knowing where Graendal was at the begining of TGS doesn't mean that in the ensuing 2 months prior to Rand's BF that information didn't come out. You make it sound like their alliance was one conversation and the next day Graendal died. Ignoring that there are months of activity between them agreeing to working together and assuming they did nothing but have a couple of TAR meetings to exchange info that Graendal likely gathered is silly. What was in it for Graendal when she is by FAR more well informed? Why give Aran'gar intelligence in exchange for nothing?
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Chat with Brandon posted on Dragonmount Skeeve the Great - 12/07/2010 04:23:24 PM 2326 Views
This... Etzel - 12/07/2010 04:54:28 PM 1435 Views
how do you get there from this? darius_sedai - 12/07/2010 05:47:42 PM 1286 Views
Right. There could easily be a scene like this: beetnemesis - 12/07/2010 06:22:45 PM 1218 Views
Because... Etzel - 12/07/2010 10:40:29 PM 1262 Views
You're brilliant, Etzel, but Brandon is NOT robert jordan newyorkersedai - 13/07/2010 01:18:44 AM 1217 Views
He said it won't be 100% flashback like book 10 Rurouni_Kenshin - 13/07/2010 05:30:18 AM 1124 Views
But obviously not for the timelines, which are up to date. Etzel - 13/07/2010 08:41:37 AM 1221 Views
the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:39:52 AM 1186 Views
Re: the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer dacole - 14/07/2010 04:54:16 AM 1159 Views
Graendal is part of several plot lines. Aran'gar at the very least is unseen in TGS, but involved darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:40:09 PM 1185 Views
No... Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:10:12 AM 1105 Views
so it's not possible for anything that has never been done in the series to happen... ok darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:38:08 PM 1062 Views
Again, there is no sensible reason for a scene where Graendal is shown again before her death. *NM* Etzel - 14/07/2010 04:47:21 PM 1035 Views
sure there is ... to tell us she killed Asmo darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:56:09 PM 1246 Views
Again... Etzel - 15/07/2010 08:57:34 AM 989 Views
or it could as easily be a scene from Aran'gar's POV that includes Graendal darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:36:21 PM 1148 Views
The point is... Etzel - 15/07/2010 01:55:43 PM 1103 Views
that is 100% your interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:51:49 PM 1159 Views
Noal was involved with Ishy; a connection to Graendal is pure speculation. Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:19:38 PM 1060 Views
I'm pointing out that she had more than just Rands plot line darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 03:59:36 PM 1062 Views
As far as we know... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:06:56 PM 1137 Views
she also knows what Cyndane and Moghedien are up to and may be involved darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 01:58:36 PM 1252 Views
There is nothing to support your view, that Graendal was directly involved in any other plotlines... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:31:01 PM 1023 Views
She doesn't have to be in order to make an appearance in them darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:26:44 PM 1121 Views
We will see... *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:36:21 PM 1340 Views
Indeed Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:49:43 AM 1040 Views
The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:14:04 AM 1265 Views
give up Eztel...they think they know Asmodens killer...we know they are wrong dacole - 13/07/2010 09:45:15 AM 1117 Views
I agree regarding Graendal, but have to disagree concerning Lanfear. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:51:00 AM 1305 Views
Re: The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:03:14 AM 1167 Views
It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:25:36 AM 1232 Views
you keep trotting this point out like it matters darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:07:36 PM 1109 Views
a very irritating habit indeed!! Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:29:19 AM 1221 Views
There is no indication that Graendal & Aran'gar did anything, except for exchanging infos! Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:01:58 AM 1059 Views
where do you get this stuff from? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:41:07 PM 1256 Views
Eh, no Etzel - 15/07/2010 02:08:56 PM 1124 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:56:02 PM 1116 Views
Graendal actually tells that she learned interesting things from Aran'gar Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:14:54 PM 1202 Views
pure interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:00:31 PM 1117 Views
Well, it fits RJ's theme that the bad guys actually aren't that competent. *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:12:19 PM 1211 Views
No really since it would make Aran'gar look pretty competent *NM* darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:27:40 PM 507 Views
Aran'gar just had the luck that Rand wasn't after her Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:34:53 PM 938 Views
Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 15/07/2010 06:54:17 PM 1082 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Etzel - 15/07/2010 10:08:44 PM 1102 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 16/07/2010 05:30:25 AM 1055 Views
IMO... Etzel - 16/07/2010 08:46:03 AM 1044 Views
And... Etzel - 16/07/2010 11:35:44 AM 1132 Views
you continue to ignore that Graendal died about 2 months after she darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 02:06:48 PM 1304 Views
Usually the Forsaken meet in neutral TAR... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:22:34 PM 1189 Views
not really darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:58:57 PM 1278 Views
Good, then we agree, if you consider it unlikely as well. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:56:50 PM 1266 Views
Trust me, Graendal won't be seen; only her name will be mentioned a few times (as BS said). *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:03:33 AM 1101 Views
You should really just write it for BS since you clearly know exactly what's going to happen darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:57:59 PM 1165 Views
Ok... Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:17:02 PM 1030 Views
When did I say there would be a Graendal POV? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:03:54 PM 1118 Views
I also just said that... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:10:32 PM 1005 Views
Re: It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:10:48 PM 1058 Views
But we never... Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:17:30 AM 1112 Views
Re: But we never... Datakim - 15/07/2010 10:52:24 PM 1063 Views
I think Etzel - 16/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 1158 Views
Re: I think Datakim - 16/07/2010 04:37:20 PM 1209 Views
Yeah, RAFO! I predigt however, that we won't have another Graendal PoV. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:59:26 PM 1064 Views
Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true. Logain - 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM 1235 Views
I admit the possibility, but consider it highly unlikely for the reasons I pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:58:01 PM 1172 Views
Because some people can't read... DomA - 14/07/2010 01:05:08 PM 1226 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:14:27 PM 984 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:31:22 AM 1032 Views
Rand used so much baelfire on her that he zapped them all back to the last 3rd Age darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:38:48 PM 1231 Views
I wonder if their big role means Rand and Eg will get more chapters than first thought. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2010 05:27:44 PM 1139 Views
Yeah, seems so. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:19:53 PM 1115 Views
Brandon's "Mostly" answer makes it less likely we see the Land of Madmen as Demandred's base Logain - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1296 Views
hrmm, not necessarily Kieran - 12/07/2010 09:28:00 PM 1090 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:24:21 PM 531 Views
Uh... TaskmasterJack - 12/07/2010 10:10:08 PM 1194 Views
or "can't" because ... Shishka - 12/07/2010 10:34:14 PM 1040 Views
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I think he isn't allowed to... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:23:55 PM 1186 Views
On a somewhat related note, Sanderson says ToM consists of 80 chapters as of now. Ginormous! RandAllThor - 13/07/2010 01:54:15 AM 1038 Views
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We will get it on screen Deadsy - 13/07/2010 03:30:33 AM 1072 Views
On Mat's "death" Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:34:35 PM 1290 Views
Re: On Mat's "death" Datakim - 13/07/2010 02:23:19 PM 1028 Views
This report was probably a misinterpretation Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:23:24 AM 1165 Views
Re: This report was probably a misinterpretation Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:03:36 PM 1143 Views
I emailed BS and he sent me copies of both the books he mentioned in the Q&A! Mats imaginary friend - 14/07/2010 08:32:58 PM 1064 Views
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