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Too convulted...... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM
From a literal standpoint it only makes sense that Graendal was killed by Rand. The "Graendal somehow survived"-theories (which remind of the ideas that Sammael or Osan'gar survived somehow) would be an unnecessary twist such late in the story. Considering that RJ wanted to wrap up things, it's clear that Graendal was balefired in a powerful scene, because she wasn't needed anymore and to emphasise Rand's hardness. As it is made clear in the book, Graendal simply couldn't predict that Rand would "punch her in the face" in such a way.

Besides that, Graendal tells in TGS, prologue, that Aran'gar doesn't know where her lair is. Thus nothing suggests that Aran'gar would go to Graendal (Aran'gar can certainly find other, more neutral refugees).


As in Slayer, a character who we knew nothing about in regards to his powers....was hanging out in a place which he hasn't been to for decades....was watching a man who he knew could channel and kill him...but was watching a man who's location was unknown to him prior to this...who happened to stumble upon him...who he killed and took the body, harp, and removed all evidence (blood, disrupted environment, etc).

And *this* is too confulted? ;)

I'm just saying.

As for a huge twist like this at the end of the series...unlikely, but possible. As for Graendal not being able to recognize that Rand would "punch her in the face"....who said she had too. 1) There was more than enough time for a regular exit...let alone a dramatic, jump-through-the-gateway type of exit. 2) Do you honestly think that Rand could out think Graendal? How many mid-20 year olds can out think a trained, experienced professional?

~Jeordam
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What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Sidious - 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM 2070 Views
Too convulted to make any sense... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM 1031 Views
Too convulted...... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM 1232 Views
The logic is rather... Etzel - 15/07/2010 05:09:30 PM 927 Views
What is the reason Delana is with Graendal? Artsapat - 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM 1098 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM 1013 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM 1046 Views
That is wrong Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM 881 Views
Re: That is wrong Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM 976 Views
It's not at all... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:35:49 AM 880 Views
Plus... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM 812 Views
I agree with part and disagree with part. Logain - 14/07/2010 06:39:36 PM 885 Views
exactly darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 06:43:14 PM 900 Views
Does the Compulsion fit Graendal? Lohikaarme - 13/07/2010 03:40:36 PM 948 Views
sorry but no dacole - 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM 1012 Views
Exactly Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM 873 Views
Yeah dacole provided powerful evidence *NM* Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:25:13 AM 486 Views
Actually... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:30:24 AM 921 Views
Or, as with Moghedien. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:35:44 PM 1066 Views
It makes perfect sense. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM 933 Views
I won't be 100% sure she's dead until we get a solid "she's toast" from either the text darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:21:18 PM 939 Views
This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM* darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM 618 Views
Until I have absolute proof to the contrary.(Confirmation by Harriot or BS) krassos - 13/07/2010 04:20:49 PM 857 Views
If Graendal didn't know Rand would use balefire, why would she have Delana do the Compulsion? beetnemesis - 13/07/2010 04:57:10 PM 1115 Views
Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM 1021 Views
I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM 1002 Views
Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM 899 Views
Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Underwood - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM 976 Views
You draw too much attention to yourself, Mr Underwood *NM* Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:13:42 AM 588 Views
Ha, nice! *NM* Underwood - 14/07/2010 04:05:00 PM 484 Views
What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM 979 Views
Huh Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM 967 Views
Why did the lair explode? Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM 904 Views
*NM* Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 01:58:17 PM 637 Views
While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail. Mik - 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM 1093 Views
What did Rand tell Ramshalan... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM 807 Views
Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM 902 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1083 Views
he doesn't have to read Rands mind darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM 851 Views
Provide a quote. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM 989 Views
read the chapter darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM 812 Views
Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM 935 Views
sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM 1026 Views
Was that what I asked for? Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 04:05:41 AM 784 Views
sorry misunderstood what you were looking for darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:50:17 PM 816 Views
Oh if that's what you want darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM 952 Views
Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 06:57:39 PM 871 Views
Re: Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 09:20:10 PM 860 Views
why does it have to be a well thought out plan? darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM 820 Views
She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM 791 Views
No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM 905 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM 957 Views
yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM 952 Views
Which ones? Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM 837 Views
Re: Which ones? Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:25:28 AM 936 Views
Well. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 06:53:29 AM 810 Views
Actually I think it's one of those things that make AS so stupid darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:36:43 PM 910 Views
the Sorilea moment is when they first meet Semirhage darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:32:26 PM 953 Views
Thanks for the quote. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:02:36 PM 1023 Views
Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM 830 Views
She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion BlackAdder - 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM 851 Views
we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 969 Views
Ramshalan didn't know the plan as you claim Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 04:16:29 PM 755 Views
he knew enough to alert Graendal to the danger darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:50:26 PM 997 Views
No. Don't think so. Tom - 13/07/2010 08:35:34 PM 821 Views
I so desperately want you to be right. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM 985 Views
Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM 876 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 07:10:49 AM 975 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 10:50:05 PM 893 Views
Yip Sidious - 14/07/2010 04:33:03 PM 879 Views
Lame. eucatastrophe - 14/07/2010 10:44:47 AM 822 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:15:38 PM 777 Views
she's dead, get over it *NM* Yunalesca - 14/07/2010 01:12:15 PM 527 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM 827 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM 912 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM 1014 Views
Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM* Lord Haart - 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM 316 Views
*shrug* Seems a bit complex to me... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:17:49 PM 1190 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Underwood - 15/07/2010 04:38:09 PM 930 Views
Honestly, if she's still alive, how is she going to die? Gher - 16/07/2010 05:49:06 AM 810 Views
Ahh, just remembered that some people think some Forsaken will survive Tarmon Gai'don. Still... *NM* Gher - 16/07/2010 05:51:41 AM 421 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? scooter - 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM 807 Views
Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM 794 Views
Because he was right, that's why. Terez - 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM 808 Views
Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM 746 Views
No one ever gets every detail right - it's impossible Terez - 11/11/2010 06:06:26 AM 1029 Views
Yes, but I don't think this was a detail. *Still ToM spoilers.* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 06:31:40 AM 909 Views
Re: Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* scooter - 11/11/2010 04:12:38 AM 909 Views
Please try to maintain some decorum. *Also ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:45:08 AM 858 Views
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