Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them
Underwood Send a noteboard - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM
Underwood Send a noteboard - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM
One: There is a difference between convoluted and complex.
Two: Any and every theory about Graendal being alive I've read has come from the point of view of knowing how she was killed, and assuming that she clearly would too, whereas the whole point of the scene was that no one would ever assume he would do something like that.
Every time I read something about her being alive it has always seemed to come from the idea of not wanting to believe what is clearly stated in the books, because it was displeasing to the reader.
Now, Sidious, I understand that you actually think she's dead, and are just trying out theories that could explain people's wishes that things were different. The problem with this theory is that it supposes Graendal would know the exact manner and time of her death, and deal with it in a way that would make everyone believe she was dead, and have foreknowledge that this was going to happen enough to plan, and have everything instantly ready to go on the off chance that this was the moment that Rand chose to strike. It's too much. Especially for these Forsaken, who time and again have been shown to not live up to anyone's impressions of them.
Two: Any and every theory about Graendal being alive I've read has come from the point of view of knowing how she was killed, and assuming that she clearly would too, whereas the whole point of the scene was that no one would ever assume he would do something like that.
Every time I read something about her being alive it has always seemed to come from the idea of not wanting to believe what is clearly stated in the books, because it was displeasing to the reader.
Now, Sidious, I understand that you actually think she's dead, and are just trying out theories that could explain people's wishes that things were different. The problem with this theory is that it supposes Graendal would know the exact manner and time of her death, and deal with it in a way that would make everyone believe she was dead, and have foreknowledge that this was going to happen enough to plan, and have everything instantly ready to go on the off chance that this was the moment that Rand chose to strike. It's too much. Especially for these Forsaken, who time and again have been shown to not live up to anyone's impressions of them.
What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
- 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM
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Too convulted to make any sense...
- 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM
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What is the reason Delana is with Graendal?
- 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM
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Indeed...
- 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM
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Re: Indeed...
- 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM
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That is wrong
- 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM
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Re: That is wrong
- 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM
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Plus...
- 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM
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sorry but no
- 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM
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Exactly
- 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM
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It makes perfect sense.
- 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM
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I won't be 100% sure she's dead until we get a solid "she's toast" from either the text
- 13/07/2010 04:21:18 PM
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This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM*
- 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM
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Until I have absolute proof to the contrary.(Confirmation by Harriot or BS)
- 13/07/2010 04:20:49 PM
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If Graendal didn't know Rand would use balefire, why would she have Delana do the Compulsion?
- 13/07/2010 04:57:10 PM
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Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand.
- 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM
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I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted.
- 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM
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Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them
- 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM
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- 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM
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Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them
- 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM
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- 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM
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What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple.
- 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM
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Huh
- 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM
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Why did the lair explode?
- 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM
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While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail.
- 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM
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What did Rand tell Ramshalan...
- 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM
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Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan...
- 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM
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...
- 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM
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he doesn't have to read Rands mind
- 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM
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Provide a quote.
- 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM
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read the chapter
- 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM
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Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't.
- 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM
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sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate
- 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM
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- 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM
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Oh if that's what you want
- 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM
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Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress.
- 11/08/2010 06:57:39 PM
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Re: Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress.
- 11/08/2010 09:20:10 PM
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why does it have to be a well thought out plan?
- 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM
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She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion.
- 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM
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No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate
- 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM
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Nonsense.
- 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM
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yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance
- 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM
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Which ones?
- 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM
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Re: Which ones?
- 15/07/2010 05:25:28 AM
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Well.
- 15/07/2010 06:53:29 AM
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Actually I think it's one of those things that make AS so stupid
- 10/08/2010 09:36:43 PM
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Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted.
- 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM
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She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion
- 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM
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we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves
- 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM
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I so desperately want you to be right.
- 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM
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Graendal being alive would make more of a statement...
- 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
- 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
- 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
- 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM
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Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM*
- 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM
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Honestly, if she's still alive, how is she going to die?
- 16/07/2010 05:49:06 AM
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Ahh, just remembered that some people think some Forsaken will survive Tarmon Gai'don. Still... *NM*
- 16/07/2010 05:51:41 AM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
- 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM
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Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers*
- 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM
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Because he was right, that's why.
- 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM
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Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers*
- 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM
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