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But we never... Etzel Send a noteboard - 15/07/2010 09:17:30 AM
Such a flashback device with a dead character never happened in the books before. It's the same as stating that it is likely that Semirhage, Elza, the BA in Caemlyn or any other dead characters will yet get a revealing scene in ToM where they chat about something. Completely absurd and also contrary to what BS said on this topic.

If there will be more info about Graendal it will come in the PoV from other characters, like fellow Forsaken or SH (or BS will reveal in in a Q&A). That is the way it is always done in the series, if a character died, and just makes the most sense.


Not with a dead character perhaps, but we did see a flashback of the battle at Dumai's wells from the POV of the Shaido, as they flee the attack of the Asha'man. We also have views of the Cleansing from the view of others as they sense the beacon of OP. It is not beyond reason that we might have a similar scene from Graendals POV.

This is especially true if Graendal turns up to have something to do with Perrins plotline (such as manipulating Masema via compulsion or something)


Have such a PoV from a character, who died in the previous book. Therefore it's highly unlikely that BS would suddenly do something like this.

One can't really understand why some people firmly believe that we will probably get such a scene from Graendal's PoV. It's like stating that we will likely get a Elza PoV in ToM, where she has a chat with her Warder before her death to give as important informations. If infos about Elza would be such important and couldn't be included in TGS for some reason, we would rather get a PoV of her Warder in ToM, where he thinks about Elza and their past talk. This is less confusing than bringing a dead character back and could actually advance the plot without jumping back in the timeline. The other way is unnecessarily more complicated.
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Chat with Brandon posted on Dragonmount Skeeve the Great - 12/07/2010 04:23:24 PM 2132 Views
This... Etzel - 12/07/2010 04:54:28 PM 1266 Views
how do you get there from this? darius_sedai - 12/07/2010 05:47:42 PM 1112 Views
Right. There could easily be a scene like this: beetnemesis - 12/07/2010 06:22:45 PM 1045 Views
Because... Etzel - 12/07/2010 10:40:29 PM 1095 Views
You're brilliant, Etzel, but Brandon is NOT robert jordan newyorkersedai - 13/07/2010 01:18:44 AM 1024 Views
He said it won't be 100% flashback like book 10 Rurouni_Kenshin - 13/07/2010 05:30:18 AM 939 Views
But obviously not for the timelines, which are up to date. Etzel - 13/07/2010 08:41:37 AM 1051 Views
the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:39:52 AM 1025 Views
Re: the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer dacole - 14/07/2010 04:54:16 AM 988 Views
Graendal is part of several plot lines. Aran'gar at the very least is unseen in TGS, but involved darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:40:09 PM 1008 Views
No... Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:10:12 AM 922 Views
so it's not possible for anything that has never been done in the series to happen... ok darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:38:08 PM 890 Views
Again, there is no sensible reason for a scene where Graendal is shown again before her death. *NM* Etzel - 14/07/2010 04:47:21 PM 851 Views
sure there is ... to tell us she killed Asmo darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:56:09 PM 1052 Views
Again... Etzel - 15/07/2010 08:57:34 AM 816 Views
or it could as easily be a scene from Aran'gar's POV that includes Graendal darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:36:21 PM 980 Views
The point is... Etzel - 15/07/2010 01:55:43 PM 925 Views
that is 100% your interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:51:49 PM 963 Views
Noal was involved with Ishy; a connection to Graendal is pure speculation. Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:19:38 PM 870 Views
I'm pointing out that she had more than just Rands plot line darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 03:59:36 PM 877 Views
As far as we know... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:06:56 PM 930 Views
she also knows what Cyndane and Moghedien are up to and may be involved darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 01:58:36 PM 1087 Views
There is nothing to support your view, that Graendal was directly involved in any other plotlines... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:31:01 PM 836 Views
She doesn't have to be in order to make an appearance in them darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:26:44 PM 955 Views
We will see... *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:36:21 PM 1151 Views
Indeed Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:49:43 AM 865 Views
The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:14:04 AM 1059 Views
give up Eztel...they think they know Asmodens killer...we know they are wrong dacole - 13/07/2010 09:45:15 AM 949 Views
I agree regarding Graendal, but have to disagree concerning Lanfear. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:51:00 AM 1136 Views
Re: The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:03:14 AM 989 Views
It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:25:36 AM 1058 Views
you keep trotting this point out like it matters darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:07:36 PM 944 Views
a very irritating habit indeed!! Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:29:19 AM 1045 Views
There is no indication that Graendal & Aran'gar did anything, except for exchanging infos! Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:01:58 AM 879 Views
where do you get this stuff from? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:41:07 PM 1084 Views
Eh, no Etzel - 15/07/2010 02:08:56 PM 950 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:56:02 PM 925 Views
Graendal actually tells that she learned interesting things from Aran'gar Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:14:54 PM 1037 Views
pure interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:00:31 PM 951 Views
Well, it fits RJ's theme that the bad guys actually aren't that competent. *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:12:19 PM 1027 Views
No really since it would make Aran'gar look pretty competent *NM* darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:27:40 PM 426 Views
Aran'gar just had the luck that Rand wasn't after her Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:34:53 PM 766 Views
Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 15/07/2010 06:54:17 PM 898 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Etzel - 15/07/2010 10:08:44 PM 924 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 16/07/2010 05:30:25 AM 885 Views
IMO... Etzel - 16/07/2010 08:46:03 AM 851 Views
And... Etzel - 16/07/2010 11:35:44 AM 968 Views
you continue to ignore that Graendal died about 2 months after she darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 02:06:48 PM 972 Views
Usually the Forsaken meet in neutral TAR... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:22:34 PM 1029 Views
not really darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:58:57 PM 1109 Views
Good, then we agree, if you consider it unlikely as well. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:56:50 PM 1090 Views
Trust me, Graendal won't be seen; only her name will be mentioned a few times (as BS said). *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:03:33 AM 944 Views
You should really just write it for BS since you clearly know exactly what's going to happen darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:57:59 PM 954 Views
Ok... Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:17:02 PM 855 Views
When did I say there would be a Graendal POV? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:03:54 PM 930 Views
I also just said that... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:10:32 PM 828 Views
Re: It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:10:48 PM 886 Views
But we never... Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:17:30 AM 947 Views
Re: But we never... Datakim - 15/07/2010 10:52:24 PM 901 Views
I think Etzel - 16/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 1002 Views
Re: I think Datakim - 16/07/2010 04:37:20 PM 991 Views
Yeah, RAFO! I predigt however, that we won't have another Graendal PoV. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:59:26 PM 910 Views
Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true. Logain - 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM 1058 Views
I admit the possibility, but consider it highly unlikely for the reasons I pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:58:01 PM 1005 Views
Because some people can't read... DomA - 14/07/2010 01:05:08 PM 1060 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:14:27 PM 817 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:31:22 AM 838 Views
Rand used so much baelfire on her that he zapped them all back to the last 3rd Age darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:38:48 PM 1044 Views
I wonder if their big role means Rand and Eg will get more chapters than first thought. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2010 05:27:44 PM 970 Views
Yeah, seems so. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:19:53 PM 930 Views
Brandon's "Mostly" answer makes it less likely we see the Land of Madmen as Demandred's base Logain - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1121 Views
hrmm, not necessarily Kieran - 12/07/2010 09:28:00 PM 890 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:24:21 PM 456 Views
Uh... TaskmasterJack - 12/07/2010 10:10:08 PM 1011 Views
or "can't" because ... Shishka - 12/07/2010 10:34:14 PM 874 Views
Re: or "can't" because ... TaskmasterJack - 13/07/2010 01:00:45 AM 890 Views
I think he isn't allowed to... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:23:55 PM 1019 Views
On a somewhat related note, Sanderson says ToM consists of 80 chapters as of now. Ginormous! RandAllThor - 13/07/2010 01:54:15 AM 874 Views
Perrin catch-up? Comet Sedai - 13/07/2010 02:55:22 AM 817 Views
We will get it on screen Deadsy - 13/07/2010 03:30:33 AM 888 Views
On Mat's "death" Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:34:35 PM 1131 Views
Re: On Mat's "death" Datakim - 13/07/2010 02:23:19 PM 844 Views
This report was probably a misinterpretation Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:23:24 AM 968 Views
Re: This report was probably a misinterpretation Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:03:36 PM 978 Views
I emailed BS and he sent me copies of both the books he mentioned in the Q&A! Mats imaginary friend - 14/07/2010 08:32:58 PM 904 Views
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