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I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM
It makes no real sense that the Moridin first wanted Semirhage to capture Rand with the DB in KoD (as stated in TGS, prologue). Then SH actually frees Semirhage to try it again. Exactly in the moment, when she succeeds, when Rand is breaking, since he is killing Min, the DO would prevent this by saving Min and killing Semirhage due to giving Rand access to the TP.

It makes more sense that Rand managed to take the TP through the link to Moridin and that the Shadow couldn't foresee this. If Rand wouldn't have done this, the Shadow had likely won, because Rand would be a prisoner at SG, tortured by Semirhage, and Min dead.


I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books later. I think that is pretty impressive. Maybe RJ wanted to mislead us by that quote or maybe he wanted it to be a hint about the DOs true involvement. Semirhage believed that the DO betrayed her and the end result of the exchange seems to me to be in the DOs favor even if he didn't plan it that way. I agree also with what you are saying as well, though.

To me there is not enough evidence to figure out what the DOs involvement is. Hopefully, we will get a Moridin PoV or some other evidence to answer this question.

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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1749 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 947 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 317 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 309 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 870 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 864 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 805 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 647 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 676 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 718 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 702 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 726 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 677 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 691 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 643 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 674 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 755 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 796 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 708 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 712 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 726 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 683 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 757 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 755 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 720 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 765 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 682 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 670 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 749 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 668 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 771 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 676 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 629 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 648 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 294 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 606 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 651 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 698 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 664 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 273 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 618 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 662 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 669 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 709 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 675 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 677 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 764 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 722 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 620 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 658 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 669 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 689 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 666 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 649 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 641 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 646 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 635 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 635 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 678 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 644 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 696 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 618 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 576 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 984 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 301 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 281 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 648 Views
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