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I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM
It makes no real sense that the Moridin first wanted Semirhage to capture Rand with the DB in KoD (as stated in TGS, prologue). Then SH actually frees Semirhage to try it again. Exactly in the moment, when she succeeds, when Rand is breaking, since he is killing Min, the DO would prevent this by saving Min and killing Semirhage due to giving Rand access to the TP.

It makes more sense that Rand managed to take the TP through the link to Moridin and that the Shadow couldn't foresee this. If Rand wouldn't have done this, the Shadow had likely won, because Rand would be a prisoner at SG, tortured by Semirhage, and Min dead.


I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books later. I think that is pretty impressive. Maybe RJ wanted to mislead us by that quote or maybe he wanted it to be a hint about the DOs true involvement. Semirhage believed that the DO betrayed her and the end result of the exchange seems to me to be in the DOs favor even if he didn't plan it that way. I agree also with what you are saying as well, though.

To me there is not enough evidence to figure out what the DOs involvement is. Hopefully, we will get a Moridin PoV or some other evidence to answer this question.

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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1801 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 1005 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 344 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 336 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 928 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 927 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 862 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 703 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 731 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 770 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 767 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 773 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 738 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 744 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 695 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 725 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 811 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 856 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 772 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 772 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 778 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 741 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 817 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 816 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 778 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 827 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 739 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 726 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 805 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 728 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 855 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 730 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 682 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 702 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 316 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 664 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 700 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 749 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 714 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 297 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 677 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 713 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 728 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 771 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 723 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 722 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 817 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 775 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 670 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 710 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 725 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 739 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 721 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 703 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 689 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 703 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 680 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 689 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 731 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 705 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 748 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 673 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 629 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 1048 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 326 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 309 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 699 Views
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