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But if this was the plan... Etzel Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM
You could also take the access key, then let Rand use the TP not only once but several times (without the CK as a "substitute drug" ). If Rand is then eventually completely evil, corrupted & addicted you might decide to give him the access key back to destroy everything. Otherwise Moridin or another DF might use it.

As it seems now, the supposed plan to corrupt Rand was again completely idiotic: 2 of the most powerful Forsaken are dead, while Min and Rand live even more happily.

This message last edited by Etzel on 26/07/2010 at 12:38:59 PM
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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1726 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 926 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 308 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 302 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 849 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 829 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 778 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 622 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 651 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 687 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 668 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 699 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 654 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 664 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 620 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 654 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 728 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 766 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 686 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 686 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 696 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 655 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 726 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 730 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 701 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 733 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 661 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 647 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 727 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 643 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 746 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 656 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 604 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 627 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 286 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 576 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 628 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 675 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 641 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 264 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 595 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 634 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 651 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 680 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 644 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 652 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 738 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 692 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 597 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 637 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 651 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 662 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 641 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 624 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 612 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 618 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 607 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 614 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 658 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 623 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 674 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 594 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 555 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 951 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 293 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 273 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 620 Views
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