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But if this was the plan... Etzel Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM
You could also take the access key, then let Rand use the TP not only once but several times (without the CK as a "substitute drug" ). If Rand is then eventually completely evil, corrupted & addicted you might decide to give him the access key back to destroy everything. Otherwise Moridin or another DF might use it.

As it seems now, the supposed plan to corrupt Rand was again completely idiotic: 2 of the most powerful Forsaken are dead, while Min and Rand live even more happily.

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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1873 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 1080 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 381 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 370 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 1005 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 1000 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 931 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 777 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 809 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 859 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 841 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 877 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 815 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 816 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 775 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 805 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 896 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 933 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 846 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 844 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 851 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 827 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 892 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 893 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 850 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 904 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 822 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 799 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 886 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 806 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 943 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 801 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 758 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 768 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 354 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 752 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 785 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 850 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 797 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 335 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 751 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 811 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 798 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 843 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 789 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 794 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 883 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 857 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 745 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 815 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 806 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 834 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 822 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 795 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 783 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 778 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 752 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 764 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 807 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 823 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 825 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 754 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 700 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 1118 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 361 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 362 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 779 Views
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