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Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM

A distinct possible consequence, now that Rand has destroyed the CK, is that the amount of saidin he could get from the CK helped him keep the desire to use the TP again at bay. Now, if Rand finds himself in a dark spot or a position of weakness, he might struggle a lot more resisting the temptation to embrace the TP (which gave him a feeling of utter power similar to a far greater amount of saiding that Rand can embrace unaided... the sort of feeling he could reproduce by drawing on the CK and now could only be embracing the TP). Demandred (or Moghedien) experienced something similar - they used the TP only when it was their last chance/last hope (it's not totally unlike how Nynaeve broke her block, except in her despair/darkness she gave up, and this surrender was what she needed. Previously, she could embrace saidar only when she was so blinded by anger she forgot she was surrendering to saidar).


I suspect that BS has already answered that question :)


Q: You mention that Shaidar Haran has quite a few limitations on his power. Can you give us a few concrete examples of these limitations?
A: Shaidar Haran needs a minion to do most of his work for him. Elza was essential to Shaidar Haran in getting things done.

This lead to lots of discussion about swearing to the Shadow – basically, it’s a very bad idea and you forfeit some very basic protections when you do. Shaidar Haran has special power over those that swear to the Dark One, and the Forsaken in particular. I asked about Alviarin’s special mark, and he said Shaidar Haran has similar power over her. The implication is that there are lots of ramifications for swearing to the Dark One. Brandon mentioned that this makes Verin all the more remarkable.


If simply swearing to the DO loses you these "basic protections", then what would actually channeling the very essence of the DO do?

I think by using TP, Rand has lost all of these inherent protections and is now vulnerable to the shadow, including the ability of SH to completely block him from the OP.
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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1780 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 981 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 330 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 322 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 903 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 901 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 838 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 678 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 706 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 747 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 744 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 750 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 711 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 722 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 674 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 699 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 789 Views
You were right the first time - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 826 Views
I think the question is... - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 747 Views
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Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 788 Views
Re: I think the question is... - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 754 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 802 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 713 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 699 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 781 Views
But if this was the plan... - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 707 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 826 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 705 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 657 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 678 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 305 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 641 Views
Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 676 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 726 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 691 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 286 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 655 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 692 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 700 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 746 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 706 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 699 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 790 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 747 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 645 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 689 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 701 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 717 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 659 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 666 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 706 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 678 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 723 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 648 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 607 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 1020 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 312 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 676 Views

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