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Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM

A distinct possible consequence, now that Rand has destroyed the CK, is that the amount of saidin he could get from the CK helped him keep the desire to use the TP again at bay. Now, if Rand finds himself in a dark spot or a position of weakness, he might struggle a lot more resisting the temptation to embrace the TP (which gave him a feeling of utter power similar to a far greater amount of saiding that Rand can embrace unaided... the sort of feeling he could reproduce by drawing on the CK and now could only be embracing the TP). Demandred (or Moghedien) experienced something similar - they used the TP only when it was their last chance/last hope (it's not totally unlike how Nynaeve broke her block, except in her despair/darkness she gave up, and this surrender was what she needed. Previously, she could embrace saidar only when she was so blinded by anger she forgot she was surrendering to saidar).


I suspect that BS has already answered that question :)


Q: You mention that Shaidar Haran has quite a few limitations on his power. Can you give us a few concrete examples of these limitations?
A: Shaidar Haran needs a minion to do most of his work for him. Elza was essential to Shaidar Haran in getting things done.

This lead to lots of discussion about swearing to the Shadow – basically, it’s a very bad idea and you forfeit some very basic protections when you do. Shaidar Haran has special power over those that swear to the Dark One, and the Forsaken in particular. I asked about Alviarin’s special mark, and he said Shaidar Haran has similar power over her. The implication is that there are lots of ramifications for swearing to the Dark One. Brandon mentioned that this makes Verin all the more remarkable.


If simply swearing to the DO loses you these "basic protections", then what would actually channeling the very essence of the DO do?

I think by using TP, Rand has lost all of these inherent protections and is now vulnerable to the shadow, including the ability of SH to completely block him from the OP.
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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1748 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 947 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 317 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 309 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 870 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 864 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 805 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 647 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 676 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 717 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 702 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 725 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 676 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 691 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 642 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 674 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 754 Views
You were right the first time - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 796 Views
I think the question is... - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 707 Views
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I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 764 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 681 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 669 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 747 Views
But if this was the plan... - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 667 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 771 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 676 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 629 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 648 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 294 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 606 Views
Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 650 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 697 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 664 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 273 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 618 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 661 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 669 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 709 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 673 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 676 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 762 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 722 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 620 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 658 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 668 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 689 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 635 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 635 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 678 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 644 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 695 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 617 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 575 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 984 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 301 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 648 Views

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