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Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM

A distinct possible consequence, now that Rand has destroyed the CK, is that the amount of saidin he could get from the CK helped him keep the desire to use the TP again at bay. Now, if Rand finds himself in a dark spot or a position of weakness, he might struggle a lot more resisting the temptation to embrace the TP (which gave him a feeling of utter power similar to a far greater amount of saiding that Rand can embrace unaided... the sort of feeling he could reproduce by drawing on the CK and now could only be embracing the TP). Demandred (or Moghedien) experienced something similar - they used the TP only when it was their last chance/last hope (it's not totally unlike how Nynaeve broke her block, except in her despair/darkness she gave up, and this surrender was what she needed. Previously, she could embrace saidar only when she was so blinded by anger she forgot she was surrendering to saidar).


I suspect that BS has already answered that question :)


Q: You mention that Shaidar Haran has quite a few limitations on his power. Can you give us a few concrete examples of these limitations?
A: Shaidar Haran needs a minion to do most of his work for him. Elza was essential to Shaidar Haran in getting things done.

This lead to lots of discussion about swearing to the Shadow – basically, it’s a very bad idea and you forfeit some very basic protections when you do. Shaidar Haran has special power over those that swear to the Dark One, and the Forsaken in particular. I asked about Alviarin’s special mark, and he said Shaidar Haran has similar power over her. The implication is that there are lots of ramifications for swearing to the Dark One. Brandon mentioned that this makes Verin all the more remarkable.


If simply swearing to the DO loses you these "basic protections", then what would actually channeling the very essence of the DO do?

I think by using TP, Rand has lost all of these inherent protections and is now vulnerable to the shadow, including the ability of SH to completely block him from the OP.
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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1707 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 910 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 292 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 296 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 817 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 815 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 763 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 605 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 636 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 651 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 634 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 683 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 640 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 642 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 608 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 639 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 715 Views
You were right the first time - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 734 Views
I think the question is... - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 662 Views
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I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 697 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 644 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 629 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 711 Views
But if this was the plan... - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 625 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 708 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 637 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 589 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 609 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 278 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 557 Views
Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 606 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 650 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 624 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 257 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 580 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 619 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 633 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 652 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 620 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 635 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 707 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 661 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 580 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 620 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 632 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 630 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 585 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 598 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 646 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 610 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 661 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 576 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 543 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 919 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 275 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 604 Views

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